Wild vs. Maple Leafs - Nov. 3rd, 6:00pm - SN, TSN 1050
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Ozzie
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Domi needs to be with star players.... when he is pushed down the line up he starts making bone head plays and even takes stupid penalties.
I think Domi's best position is flanking Matthews and Knies after we let Marner walk. Or flanking the second line.
I think Leafs need a 2C because Tavares cannot continue there. 3C doesn't solve their situation.
So next year Leafs will have the cap available to get the 2C and one or two other pieces. I doubt they will do it this season. No more raiding the cupboard or picks and prospects like the Dubas years.
Guilt Trip
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Don't agree. The initial play by knocking the puck up so far was a terrible decision because he was about 1:15 into his shift. He had the puck. Keep control and change.
OEL was over a minute into his shift and needed to get off. Had Domi beat the guy to the puck, the Leafs would have been in great shape with a fresh McCabe coming off the bench and 2 Wild caught behind. Can only guess Patches thought Domi would win the race.
Guilt Trip
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Ok, they have 69 games to go THIS season. They are not letting Marner walk. Tavares has 11pts in 12 games. And for the record, Tre traded a 3rd and 6th for Lyubushkin. A 3rd and a 5th for Edmundson and 4th plus Ovchinnikov. So 5 picks and a low prospect.
In 2021/22 with Calgary he traded a 1st, 5th, forward Tyler Pitlick and prospect Emil Heineman for Taffoli. He also traded a 2nd, 3rd and 7th for Jarnkrok and a 5th for Ryan Carpenter in the same year. Before the next season started he traded a 1st and Sean Monahan to the Habs for nothing. This notion that Dubas is the only GM that trades away picks and prospects is ridiculous. Teams that have a chance to go all the way pretty much always go for it.
herman
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I never went so fast between "Great wor---! WTF"
Domi: terrible decision to stay on when he had a chance to change 80 seconds prior. At least he was semi-serviceable in the DZ for a bit.
Pacioretty: I think he thought Domi was going to carry so went wide to try to open a lane for him, but Domi punted immediately for an attempted on-side kick 1:20 into a shift
Ekman-Larsson: knew he was no longer helpful and used what juice he had left to give the bench a chance, theoretically, to present a fresh target for Domi to spring with a stretch pass to catch the Wild tired, not knowing that Domi had immediately thrown the puck into a 10/90 race.
Fantastic heads up play by Spurgeon to recognize the gaffe and capitalize. Perfect no look pass right on the tape of Rossi's stick.
Domi: terrible decision to stay on when he had a chance to change 80 seconds prior. At least he was semi-serviceable in the DZ for a bit.
Pacioretty: I think he thought Domi was going to carry so went wide to try to open a lane for him, but Domi punted immediately for an attempted on-side kick 1:20 into a shift
Ekman-Larsson: knew he was no longer helpful and used what juice he had left to give the bench a chance, theoretically, to present a fresh target for Domi to spring with a stretch pass to catch the Wild tired, not knowing that Domi had immediately thrown the puck into a 10/90 race.
Fantastic heads up play by Spurgeon to recognize the gaffe and capitalize. Perfect no look pass right on the tape of Rossi's stick.
L K
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Yeah I don't really blame either player. 3 on 3 is a time to have quick line changes. We were in OT of back to backs and 3 games in 4 nights. Guys on the ice for 1+ minute need to get off. The first two groups did their job getting off when their shift didn't have momentum. That was a play where shooting the puck up the ice wasn't an unreasonable play if you were doing it for the lineup change but Domi got caught in the middle with no gas in the tank to win that puck race.
The Leafs continue to do this in OT where they overstay their shift and then get gassed back the other way for a odd man rush/puck in their net scenario.
I still think there is something going on with Matthews. He's not playing bad and he's still doing a lot of really good things on the ice but he's fumbling a lot of pucks that are usually automatic steals for him. It's reminding me of his injured wrist period where he was still doing lots of good things but his shot and puck battles weren't as dominant as they can be.
Impossible not to shake your head at that play. If I knew how I would insert a Moses parting the sea gif. Where was Pac going?
OldTimeHockey
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Yeah I don't buy it. Pacioretty knew full well Domi was losing that race. Heck, he was almost level with him so he had a real good view of the race being lost. If he thought Domi was winning the race he would have jumped into the play, not soft turned at the redline.
Like I said, it's on all 3 of them there.
1. Domi. Why are you playing dump and chase from inside your own line. Especially if they're all as tired as we are saying here.
2. OEL . You don't go for a long change if you are the last person back and the puck has not gone deep. How long your shift is be damned. Even if you think Domi is 'maybe' winning that race, you don't allow a change behind you when your team does not have control of the puck
3. You don't play defensive hockey outside the dots. Pacioretty is clearly outside the dots and clearly not going on offense.
They could all be played off as tired brain plays. But, #2 and #3 are hockey basics. Taught in U11 hockey.
OldTimeHockey
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Even with Domi(and believe me, I'm not a Domi fan), McMann has been invisible. Seriously not contributing at all.
And I know you're a big Robertson guy, but he is so flat footed, and so easily knocked off the puck, I don't know how he sticks in the league. If he was a better, more fluid skater (Marner-lite) he'd be able to outskate his size deficiency. But man, every battle on the wall is lost. Players box him and he ends up on his butt.
Our argument for keeping both these players was that they could score goals. 4 combined goals in 23 games played is simply not good enough.
And I know you're a big Robertson guy, but he is so flat footed, and so easily knocked off the puck, I don't know how he sticks in the league. If he was a better, more fluid skater (Marner-lite) he'd be able to outskate his size deficiency. But man, every battle on the wall is lost. Players box him and he ends up on his butt.
Our argument for keeping both these players was that they could score goals. 4 combined goals in 23 games played is simply not good enough.
herman
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There was a cycle sequence that the Leafs chained together like 2 full line changes, and it was immediately aborted once Robertson tried to hang onto it on the wall. The guy just stood him up so easily. For Robertson to remain effective, I think it's more a mental switch than a physical growth (which isn't happening); in open ice, sure hold and make a play if you can improve the conditions, but on the wall, he needed to send the play to a 60/40 battle somewhere deep for his fresher linemates vs tired defense. To his credit, Robertson is using his speed to get involved and disrupt breakouts and still firing shots that aren't being handled cleanly.
I don't know what's holding McMann back, but he had spells of ineffectiveness last season where he was doing Noah Gregor impressions; I'm guessing he is trying to preserve his health for the playoffs. I think McMann needs a centre who makes space for him (very effective with Tavares/Nylander). I'm not sure why Bobby can't be the one making space for his line given his toolset though. A 4th line of Lorentz-Dewar-McMann would be fun if we some how add middle-six depth.
I think Domi is hard to play with, unless you're Auston Matthews.
Ozzie
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Question: Do you know why Treliving didn't trade any 1st round picks?
Answer: Because the cupboard is bare.
Question: Why is cupboard bare?
Answer: Because.......................
......and clearly we didn't have the chance to go all the way (only in a fantasy world of analyitics there was that chance).
Justin Bourne has suggested that McMann simply isn't a player who will consistently throw his weight around.
Guilt Trip
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Just ignore the facts that Tre will trade assets away just like very other GM. No time for you.
IJustLurkHere
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The cupboard is bare because that's the way that NHL teams are run. Tampa Bay hasn't made a pick in the first round since 2019 (no 2025 pick either), and Florida hasn't since 2021 (no 2025 pick). The Bruins have selected twice in the first round in that time.
Those are the teams the Leafs have been trying to get past. I suspect had Treliving been here, we'd have a very similar draft hand.
OldTimeHockey
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McMann reminds me of Kapanen with less wheels.