• For users coming over from tmlfans.ca your username will remain the same but you will need to use the password reset feature (check your spam folder) on the login page in order to set your password. If you encounter issues, email Rick couchmanrick@gmail.com

World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)

Potvin29 said:
They could still play under a Memorandum of Understanding while they work out the final details.
Click to expand...

They could, but, considering the distrust on both sides, I doubt they would. There would also be a need for a newly crafted schedule, which could also easily take 2 weeks to figure out in terms of what dates are available at the various buildings, arranging travel and accommodations, etc.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
They could still play under a Memorandum of Understanding while they work out the final details.
Click to expand...

They could, but, considering the distrust on both sides, I doubt they would.
Click to expand...

A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.
Click to expand...

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html
 
Potvin29 said:
A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.
Click to expand...

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html
Click to expand...

That last part tells me it's something they're a lot less willing to do than they were in 1995. Obviously, he's not going to dismiss it as a possibility, but, the way he phrases it makes it seem like it's fairly low on their list of possible resolutions.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.
Click to expand...

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html
Click to expand...

That last part tells me it's something they're a lot less willing to do than they were in 1995. Obviously, he's not going to dismiss it as a possibility, but, the way he phrases it makes it seem like it's fairly low on their list of possible resolutions.
Click to expand...

What about the phrasing makes it seem that way to you?
 
Deebo said:
bustaheims said:
LittleHockeyFan said:
Oh I get that, the training camps would be ASAP.....but I don't see how they could have an agreement in place before Jan 3 right now. Even if there were talks NOW, by the time they get them settled, and sent out to the membership for a vote, and you let the Christmas break go through, it's still gonna be Jan 2 before anything could get set. If training camp was announced Jan 2, the Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Mark Scheifele types would already be in Russia and playing. Besides, they've been playing since October, they're already IN game shape. No reason they couldn't just come back ASAP after the gold medal game Jan 6. Won't be any NHL games before that anyway.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's sort of the timeline I'd expect. Even if they come to an agreement in principle tomorrow, you have to figure 10-14 days to hammer out the finer points, draft the thing, get both sides to vote on it, get everyone playing in various European leagues back to North America, etc. Realistically, the earliest the first games of the season would likely fall is around the same time as the gold medal game.
Click to expand...

I don't remember all the specifics about 94/95 but I did read that 9 days after the lockout ended, the games started.
Click to expand...

This is what I've heard too. If both sides really want a hockey season this year at all, then theoretically a deal needs to get done this week or next. 3-4 days needed for the players to all return to their respective cities,and 1 week for training camp. This leaves a possible start date of somewhere between Dec 23-Jan 4th. The league does not want less than a 48 game season. That puts the start right in the middle of the world jr tournament. Besides Burke, no other GM has confirmed that they wouldn't call back those junior players if the season started within that time frame. Call me pessimistic, but after all this nonsense the NHL could also ruin what promises to be a medal winning team Canada, and perhaps one of the best we've ever seen.
 
Deebo said:
What about the phrasing makes it seem that way to you?
Click to expand...

The amount of ambiguity in it and things like requiring more details than last time tell me the league wants something closer to a completed deal than they accepted in 1995 before they'll lift the lockout.
 
Today's meeting ended with the NHL holding firm on its 'take it or leave it' stance. This is at least good news for Hockey Canada and the world junior tournament. Not so good for the NHL season.
 
TSNBobMcKenzie: So far Hockey Canada has received assurances from 4 NHL teams their prospects, if they make it, will remain at WJC regardless of labor scene

TSNBobMcKenzie: Morgan Rielly (TOR), Boone Jenner (CBJ), Scott Harrington (PIT) and Ty Rattie (STL) are fully committed to WJC if on Team Canada roster.

TSNBobMcKenzie: No other NHL teams have, thus far, offered lockout-is-over protection to HC, including WPG on Mark Scheifele, amongst others.
 
Here it is, the finalized Team Canada roster...

Forwards
Anthony Camara, Barrie Colts
Phillip Danault, Victoriaville Tigres
Jonathan Drouin, Halifax Mooseheads
Jonathan Huberdeau, Saint John Sea Dogs
Charles Hudon, Chicoutimi Sagu?neens
Boone Jenner, Oshawa Generals .
JC Lipon, Kamloops Blazers
Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax Mooseheads
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Oklahoma City Barons
Ty Rattie, Portland Winterhawks
Brett Ritchie, Niagara IceDogs
Mark Scheifele, Barrie Colts
Ryan Strome, Niagara IceDogs

Defence
Dougie Hamilton, Niagara IceDogs
Scott Harrington, London Knights
Ryan Murphy, Kitchener Rangers
Xavier Ouellet, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada
Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton Oil Kings
Morgan Rielly, Moose Jaw Warriors
Tyler Wotherspoon, Portland Winterhawks

Goaltenders
Malcolm Subban, Belleville Bulls
Jordan Binnington, Owen Sound Attack
Jake Paterson, Saginaw Spirit

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/team-canada-wjc2013-team-chosen-234834640.html



GO CANADA GO!!!
 
Ok ok ok... so everyone remember that when Pierre McGuire proclaims each and every team Canada player as a future star/franchise player/elite athlete/MONSTER "for their NHL team", take a large boulder of salt and hold it up in front of his head on screen.

 
Corn Flake said:
Ok ok ok... so everyone remember that when Pierre McGuire proclaims each and every team Canada player as a future star/franchise player/elite athlete/MONSTER "for their NHL team", take a large boulder of salt and hold it up in front of his head on screen.
Click to expand...

True, although the last time there was a World Juniors when the NHL players were locked out a good half of the team did go on to be NHL all-stars.
 
Nik V. Debs said:
Deebo said:
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?
Click to expand...

Probably Pogge, no?
Click to expand...

I also recall Kadri seeing some decent minutes with Taylor Hall a few years back, though probably not as prominent as Reilly's projected role.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top