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2011-2012 NHL Thread

Busta Reims said:
Floyd said:
But why shroud it in secrecy? I mean tons of bloggers, etc had no what was going on and not one reporter revealed in advance they were told it was just a simple Q&A. I don't know... Seems a little bizarre to me.
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There was no shroud of secrecy. Someone passed along misinterpreted information, and the bloggers and such that don't releases from the team's media took the ball and ran with it.
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Makes sense.
 
I realize it's early and these are just snippets of data but I was looking at NHL save%s and the two ends of the spectrum:

Quick 0.972
Garon 0.942
Hedberg 0.937

Bryzgalov 0.895
Price 0.878
Luongo 0.868
Roloson 0.858
Halak 0.835

Of all the positions in hockey since the lockout, goaltending seems to be the worst position for me to make sense of.

But it's not just the snippets above. Halak the big playoff hero in Montreal comes back down to earth in St Louis. Thomas bounced around all over the place ... ECHL, Europe, AHL,  and at 31 lands in the NHL with the Bruins winding up with a Cup, Conn Smythe & Vezina. Luongo is great to Luongo struggling/not good enough in some camps  ... Price is great last year to struggling this year. Bryzgalov is great with the Yotes but struggles with a good team. Anderson was hot with the Avs to getting blown out in Ottawa.

Some of it obviously relates to the talent in front of them but goaltending seems far less predictable than it was before the lockout when you just knew far more reliably that Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, etc were going to be near the top of their peers every year.
 
cw said:
I realize it's early and these are just snippets of data but I was looking at NHL save%s and the two ends of the spectrum:

Quick 0.972
Garon 0.942
Hedberg 0.937

Bryzgalov 0.895
Price 0.878
Luongo 0.868
Roloson 0.858
Halak 0.835

Of all the positions in hockey since the lockout, goaltending seems to be the worst position for me to make sense of.

But it's not just the snippets above. Halak the big playoff hero in Montreal comes back down to earth in St Louis. Thomas bounced around all over the place ... ECHL, Europe, AHL,  and at 31 lands in the NHL with the Bruins winding up with a Cup, Conn Smythe & Vezina. Luongo is great to Luongo struggling/not good enough in some camps  ... Price is great last year to struggling this year. Bryzgalov is great with the Yotes but struggles with a good team. Anderson was hot with the Avs to getting blown out in Ottawa.

Some of it obviously relates to the talent in front of them but goaltending seems far less predictable than it was before the lockout when you just knew far more reliably that Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, etc were going to be near the top of their peers every year.
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Yeah, it's a bit odd, isn't it? I can't really explain it.
 
Not sure how Bryz will do going forward but I have written here numerous times that I watched almost all Coyotes home games and have written many times that Bryz is a just above average goalie who benefitted greatly by playing in a good defensive system.  Flyers could pay dearly for that contract!
 
I think the best way to think of a goalie's performance statistically these days is a little bit like QB rating in the NFL. There are guys who can maintain high performance year after year but so many contributing factors go into what makes for a successful season that swings aren't necessarily a reflection on a goalie's play and can be outside their control.
 
cw said:
I realize it's early and these are just snippets of data but I was looking at NHL save%s and the two ends of the spectrum:

Quick 0.972
Garon 0.942
Hedberg 0.937

Bryzgalov 0.895
Price 0.878
Luongo 0.868
Roloson 0.858
Halak 0.835

Of all the positions in hockey since the lockout, goaltending seems to be the worst position for me to make sense of.
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I agree that goaltending seems to have become less predictable.  However, I think you are looking at these numbers a little too early in the season.  Save percentage is probably one of those numbers that has a very high game-to-game standard deviation.  In any given game, a goalie's save percentage can typically range from .800 to 1.000.  But we know that on average over a season, 90% of the starters will wind up with a save percentage number between .90 and .92.  I think we need to give these guys at least 25 games before taking a look at the numbers this year.

... but, wow, those numbers are pretty surprising to say the least.
 
Has the game been evolving at a higher pace since the lockout? I wonder how that affects some goalies/team systems too.

OTOS I remember discussion about the value of an average goalie on a good team in post lockout hockey versus a top goalie though Luongo and Thomas shifted that some last year.
 
The drop off for Roloson isn't exactly unexpected. Age had to catch up with him eventually, and, it looks like that may have happened this season. Bryzgalov being exposed a little in Philly isn't a huge shock either - there were some who suspected that might happen. The others are a bit of a surprise, though, Luongo has traditionally been less than stellar in October since being traded to Vancouver - though, this year is worse than usual.
 
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cw said:
I realize it's early and these are just snippets of data but I was looking at NHL save%s and the two ends of the spectrum:

Quick 0.972
Garon 0.942
Hedberg 0.937

Bryzgalov 0.895
Price 0.878
Luongo 0.868
Roloson 0.858
Halak 0.835
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Isn't this a group of "shot blockers" versus goalies similar to Giguerre? Seems all they do is play percentages, if those change slightly they all fall behind.
 
RandyJMiller: #Flyers Bryz "I can?t stop the puck. It?s very simple. You can?t ask more from the forwards. They scored 8 goals & we?re still losing."
 
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