maplesyrup
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Sooooo good though. 
2012 CBA Negotiations Thread
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maplesyrup
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Nik V. Debs said:
What if I told you I add a little jalapeno juice to my matzoh ball soup?
maplesyrup
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Nik V. Debs said:
Do tell.
bustaheims
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Nik V. Debs said:
When did adding lox to anything become heresy?
maplesyrup
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bustaheims said:
I'd put lox on anything... I guess to Nik's point, it depends on hoe good the latke is... Obviouisly, I haven't had one that good.
Kin
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bustaheims said:
Hey, I love lox as much as any other chosen person. I'm just saying there's a time and a place for it, Christmas morning, for instance. Or, when you're back in the holy land:
http://www.russanddaughters.com/
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Nik V. Debs said:
Or on a day that ends with "y."
louisstamos
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I like where this thread has gone. Although now I have a sudden urge to visit Caplanksy's restaurant...
bustaheims
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Nik V. Debs said:
I second that. Caplansky's is good if you're in that part of town, but Pancer's is the way to go.
Rebel_1812
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Derk said:
As we all know, I strongly content that bettmen is not a deal maker that works well with others. The fact that this has to be settled in court proves that point. This lockout wasn't suppose to be a big one like the last one where everyone knew the season was on the line from the get go. Gary has turned it into this bitter situation with his ridiculous first offer, and the insults of the players every time they refuse to capitulate. He doesn't negotiate; everything is take it or leave it with him.
bustaheims
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Rebel_1812 said:
Well, sure, if you ignore the fact that Fehr has a history of taking these disputes to the courts and the fact that both the NBAPA and NFLPA filed lawsuits against their respective leagues as part of their disputes. Going to the courts is just par for the course in sports labour negotiations these days. It says nothing about either sides' lead negotiators other than neither of them could make a deal with each other.
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bustaheims said:
I agree that not too much should be read into this but I do think you're exaggerating Fehr's history. For the most part his history with the MLBPA has been fairly good in terms of avoiding work stoppages and they only went to court in 94/95 to address the issue of replacement players.
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Nik V. Debs said:
While not part of a work stoppage, he also took MLB to court in the 80s under charges of collusion. As for avoiding work stoppages, while the 94/95 strike may have been the most significant in his time as part of the MLBPA, he was part of 2 additional work stoppages as director of the PA (85 and 90 - both of which were fortunately settled before regular season games had to be cancelled instead of postponed) and was part of the PA for the 80 and 81 strikes.
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bustaheims said:
I'm pretty sure the collusion charges in the 80's went through Baseball's arbitration system, not the courts. Likewise, I think that only one work stoppage that actually resulted in games being missed over 30 years as the MLBPA's executive director qualifies as "fairly good". It's certainly not a history of favouring a legal resolution over a collectively bargained one.
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Nik V. Debs said:
I'm not sure I'd call work stoppages in 5 of 7 CBA negotiations "fairly good" regardless of how many games may or may not have been lost. That is Fehr's record in terms of negotiations with MLB.
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bustaheims said:
But it's nonsense to disregard whether or not games were missed as a key aspect to his record. Either way, you said that Fehr had a history of taking "these disputes" to the courts which just isn't true. He went to the courts once with the MLBPA and that was over the specific issue of replacement players, it wasn't an anti-trust case to swing leverage.
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Nik V. Debs said:
Fine. I'll admit I may have overstated Fehr's history with taking disputes to the courts, but, I still don't consider his record to be fairly good, regardless of games lost. Having had negotiations get to that point so frequently certainly doesn't paint Fehr in the light of "deal maker" as far as I'm concerned. In fairness, neither is Bettman - coming into these negotiations, between the two of them, 7 of 10 CBA negotiations had resulted in work stoppages of some form.
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