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2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

bustaheims said:
#1PilarFan said:
Musgrove and Woj aren't much in the way of prospects - neither one would fit into the Jays top 15 prospects and you could argue about top 20.

Woj was the team's #10 prospect coming into the season according to BA.

Yeah, but he's 23, repeating a year of high A ball and doing...ok. So even if that were true coming into the season you have to figure he'd be behind just about everyone of the Jays picks in the first two rounds of this years draft.
 
bustaheims said:
#1PilarFan said:
Musgrove and Woj aren't much in the way of prospects - neither one would fit into the Jays top 15 prospects and you could argue about top 20.

Woj was the team's #10 prospect coming into the season according to BA.
Consensus has him closer to #15 than 10 and that was before he repeated high A.
 
Nik? said:
Yeah, but he's 23, repeating a year of high A ball and doing...ok. So even if that were true coming into the season you have to figure he'd be behind just about everyone of the Jays picks in the first two rounds of this years draft.

Maybe, but he's also only 2 years away from being drafted and is really only in his 2nd season as a professional ball player (I wouldn't consider the 12 innings he pitched over 3 games in 2010 to be a season). He'd almost certainly still be among the team's top 20 prospects, possibly top 15.
 
Small sample sizes, but Happ against the AL East:

Baltimore - 1 start - 3.00 ERA  2.33 WHIP and .417 batting average
Boston - 2 starts - 7.30 ERA 1.86 WHIP and .298 batting average
NYY - 1 start - 3.00 ERA 0.67 WHIP and .200 batting average
Tampa - 1 start - 9.00 ERA 2.40 WHIP and .375 batting average
 
bustaheims said:
Maybe, but he's also only 2 years away from being drafted and is really only in his 2nd season as a professional ball player (I wouldn't consider the 12 innings he pitched over 3 games in 2010 to be a season). He'd almost certainly still be among the team's top 20 prospects, possibly top 15.

But if a guy gets drafted at 21 you have to figure he's a limited upside guy anyway and if he doesn't do anything thrilling in his first two years in pro ball...I think it's safe to say you're not dealing an overly important guy away. Good depth, yeah, but that's about it.

I mean if he's the 17th or 14th or 21st best prospect in the system I don't think it really matters compared to how he's actually pitching.
 
After being crushed by the Yankees, it looks like the Jays are in position to sweep the Sox after winning the first two games and leading 9-3 after 2 innings in the third game.

A note on Snyder - as of the 2nd inning of game 3, he is 2-9 in his comeback with 5 strikeouts. Hopefully he cuts down on those Ks as his season progresses.
 
Derk said:
After being crushed by the Yankees, it looks like the Jays are in position to sweep the Sox after winning the first two games and leading 9-3 after 2 innings in the third game.

A note on Snyder - as of the 2nd inning of game 3, he is 2-9 in his comeback with 5 strikeouts. Hopefully he cuts down on those Ks as his season progresses.

Home-run and three RBIs.  Still striking out a lot with 2 more today but His OPS is over 1.00 in his return.
 
Yep, a pretty nice finish for Snyder today. I really hope he sticks with the team, particularly since he is out of options next season.

I didn't really expect this sweep, but given how the Jays have doggedly hung around .500 all season, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Three games out of both wild card spots (pending the Texas / LA outcome). Lots of time left.

A's and Tigers coming in. It would not surprise me if the Jays split those series as well, even though both teams are red hot (5 game win streaks). They are definitely keeping things interesting.
 
Farrell said Morrow threw in the pen today with no issues. He had a small setback with some back spasms earlier in the week but is back on track.  Will throw for BP in a couple of days and from there sounds as though he will make a start or two in Dunedin before returning.

If he can come back strong and the rest of the patchwork rotation can hold it together.... there's a chance.
 
Just as you are about to leave this team for dead after being swept by the Yankees, they pull this and sweep the Red Sox.

And just like that, they leapfrogged the Red Sox and Indians in the Wild Card race.  Still an uphill battle, but 3 games can be made up.  How nice it would be for this team to continue to plug along and stay afloat, and hopefully be able to add Morrow and/or Bautista soon.  Huge six games coming up at home this week, needless to say. 
 
The thing is that even if Snider can only manage a batting average around .240...he takes more walks than Davis and has more power than Davis.  Quite frankly, when you factor in how stupid Davis is defensively and the difference in arm strength, I might actually favour Snider defensively too.

He's a career .735 hitter.  Obviously you want more from a highly touted prospect, but .735 is better than what Davis has provided for most of the year (aside from a dominant May)
 
L K said:
The thing is that even if Snider can only manage a batting average around .240...he takes more walks than Davis and has more power than Davis.  Quite frankly, when you factor in how stupid Davis is defensively and the difference in arm strength, I might actually favour Snider defensively too.

He's a career .735 hitter.  Obviously you want more from a highly touted prospect, but .735 is better than what Davis has provided for most of the year (aside from a dominant May)

But aside from all of that Snider is a legitimate prospect. There's really no reason for Davis to be getting regular playing time over Snider.
 
Nik? said:
L K said:
The thing is that even if Snider can only manage a batting average around .240...he takes more walks than Davis and has more power than Davis.  Quite frankly, when you factor in how stupid Davis is defensively and the difference in arm strength, I might actually favour Snider defensively too.

He's a career .735 hitter.  Obviously you want more from a highly touted prospect, but .735 is better than what Davis has provided for most of the year (aside from a dominant May)

But aside from all of that Snider is a legitimate prospect. There's really no reason for Davis to be getting regular playing time over Snider.

Agreed.  But I think there is even more than a fair argument that a non-progressing Snider is already better than Davis and should have been in the majors in the first place.  I don't know if he did something to AA or Farrell, but it seems like they have something against the kid.
 
L K said:
Agreed.  But I think there is even more than a fair argument that a non-progressing Snider is already better than Davis and should have been in the majors in the first place.  I don't know if he did something to AA or Farrell, but it seems like they have something against the kid.

No, I absolutely agree. I was just adding in the fact that Davis is more or less a known quantity at this point. The way they jerked Snider around last year after very solid seasons at 21 and 22 was inexplicable.
 

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