2014 Stanley Cup Final

[ZBBM]

I'd have called them both.  Esp. in OT.

It's a long series and Carter's penalty was legitimate, so I'd be fine if the ref just told Lundqvist that if he tried anything like that again he was getting dinged.

That makes sense too.  But it would have been fun to see 2:00 of 4/4.

 

[AvroArrow]

dive-ish

It was total embellishment.  I think the Rangers spent too much time with Montreal players.

 

[bustaheims]

FriedgeHNIC: Pretty amazing. LA has never led for a second, leads 2-0.

 

[L K]

I'd have called them both.  Esp. in OT.

It's a long series and Carter's penalty was legitimate, so I'd be fine if the ref just told Lundqvist that if he tried anything like that again he was getting dinged.

I liked when Rick Nash was thrown flying by Justin Williams. 

 

[hockeyfan1]

Los Angeles 5  NYRangers  4. 20T  Kings lead series 2 games to 0.

The Los Angeles Kings may very well have given new meaning to the term comeback or perhaps come-from-behind.  Which is exactly as they did here at
the Staples Centre in L.A. for Game 2.

Just when the New York Rangers had the Kings on the ropes, so to speak,  having taken a 4-2 lead after the second period.  But, as hockey fans the world by now know, Los Angeles' never-say-die attitude was once again, for the upteenth time in these playoffs, on display.  First, a point shot by Kings defenseman Matt Greene was tipped in by Dwight King in front of Lundqvist.  Rangers cried interference by that was ruled out.  Then with just minutes left in the third period,  Gaborik popped one past Lundvist & the game was all tied up.

The first overtime period featured plenty of near misses with the Rangers Chris Kreider having had the best opportunity of the moment -- a breakaway -- but shot wide.  New York was not capable of taking advantage of a powerplay either,
Enter Dustin Brown.  After the first few minutes in the second overtime, Brown tipped in a Willie Mitchell shot for the game-winning OT goal.

Hats off to both goaltenders -- Quick for the Kings and Lundqvist for the Rangers -- for their at times stellar puck-stopping talents particularly in the overtimes.

Oh yeah, about what I mentioned in the beginning about L.A,  having given a whole new meaning to the word comeback.  And how they have!  Los Angeles becomes the first team in NHL history to comeback from a 2 goal deficit in winning three straight games.

For the Rangers, it's not looking too good.  Since 1939, the home team that has won the first two games of a Stanley Cup Final, has gone on to to win the Cup 32 times out of 35 (91% of the time).

Next game is Monday in New York.

More:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/browns-tip-helps-kings-beat-rangers-in-game-2/

 

[mc]

Good game. But how they let that goal count where there was obvious goalie interference is beyond me.

 

[AvroArrow]

Good game. But how they let that goal count where there was obvious goalie interference is beyond me.

McDonough came back and redirected him into Lundqvist.  That's their fault on that one.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good game. But how they let that goal count where there was obvious goalie interference is beyond me.

McDonough came back and redirected him into Lundqvist.  That's their fault on that one.

McDonagh was just sort of boxing him out and King tried to get around him and in doing so went right into Lundqvist's attempt to make the save.  The rule states that if a defending player pushes you into the goalie (and I'm not convinced McDonagh did that anyways) the attacking player has to make a reasonable effort to avoid contact.  I did not see a reasonable effort made, especially considering Lundqvist was in his crease and the route King took to the front was through the top right edge of the crease.  I don't think it should have counted.

 

[AvroArrow]

Good game. But how they let that goal count where there was obvious goalie interference is beyond me.

McDonough came back and redirected him into Lundqvist.  That's their fault on that one.

McDonagh was just sort of boxing him out and King tried to get around him and in doing so went right into Lundqvist's attempt to make the save.  The rule states that if a defending player pushes you into the goalie (and I'm not convinced McDonagh did that anyways) the attacking player has to make a reasonable effort to avoid contact.  I did not see a reasonable effort made, especially considering Lundqvist was in his crease and the route King took to the front was through the top right edge of the crease.  I don't think it should have counted.

This gif doesn't quite do it justice as McDonagh come from another 1-2 feet out, but I don't see much King can do when he's pushed into Lundy.

I stand by my statement.  If you're stupid enough to push a player into your goalie, you deserve to be scored on.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

There's lots King could have done, he chose to try to get around McDonagh by going between McDonagh and Lundqvist, inside the crease.  He's not trying to avoid the contact with Lundqvist, as the rule states he has to for the goal to count.  I don't see McDonagh push him, I see McDonagh attempt to stop King from going where he wanted to go, then King decided to try to go there anyway and made contact with Lundqvist.  I still don't think it should have counted.

 

[L K]

There's lots King could have done, he chose to try to get around McDonagh by going between McDonagh and Lundqvist, inside the crease.  He's not trying to avoid the contact with Lundqvist, as the rule states he has to for the goal to count.  I don't see McDonagh push him, I see McDonagh attempt to stop King from going where he wanted to go, then King decided to try to go there anyway and made contact with Lundqvist.  I still don't think it should have counted.

I see McDonagh lean him toward the goalie to try and force him to 'make an effort to avoid the goaltender'.  I hate that style of defending.  If being near the goaltender is off-limits, you shouldn't be able to have the guy pressed into the goaltender with your defense.  McDonagh didn't shove King over Lundqvist but he certainly didn't give him the space to be in front of the net and not be in that position.  I'm perfectly fine with that goal counting. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

King chose that route that went through the crease, he didn't have to do that.  When he did, he put himself in a position to interfere with Lundqvist's save.  He had plenty of opportunity once McDonagh appeared to not continue on that same path towards the front of the net but he chose to do so and interfered with Lundqvist. 

 

[AvroArrow]

King chose that route that went through the crease, he didn't have to do that.  When he did, he put himself in a position to interfere with Lundqvist's save.  He had plenty of opportunity once McDonagh appeared to not continue on that same path towards the front of the net but he chose to do so and interfered with Lundqvist.

It's not against the rules for King to go through the crease.  He wouldn't have touched Lundqvist had McDonagh not done what he did.

 

[Tigger]

This gif doesn't quite do it justice as McDonagh come from another 1-2 feet out, but I don't see much King can do when he's pushed into Lundy.

I stand by my statement.  If you're stupid enough to push a player into your goalie, you deserve to be scored on.

Looking at McDonagh's right skate and the contact it makes against Kings skate, that tips it for me, hard to stop when your skate's like that and it definitely pushed Kings skate into Lundqvist.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This gif doesn't quite do it justice as McDonagh come from another 1-2 feet out, but I don't see much King can do when he's pushed into Lundy.

I stand by my statement.  If you're stupid enough to push a player into your goalie, you deserve to be scored on.

Looking at McDonagh's right skate and the contact it makes against Kings skate, that tips it for me, hard to stop when your skate's like that and it definitely pushed Kings skate into Lundqvist.

Then at that point King should have stopped and not continued to try to get to a spot where he would come into contact with Lundqvist.  He has a responsibility here, and it's unintentional but it still prevents the goalie from freely moving within his crease.  I see no attempt to avoid contact at all.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

King chose that route that went through the crease, he didn't have to do that.  When he did, he put himself in a position to interfere with Lundqvist's save.  He had plenty of opportunity once McDonagh appeared to not continue on that same path towards the front of the net but he chose to do so and interfered with Lundqvist.

It's not against the rules for King to go through the crease.  He wouldn't have touched Lundqvist had McDonagh not done what he did.

I never said it was.  The point I'm making is that he put himself into a position to potentially come into contact - is McDonagh supposed to just give any player a free spot in the slot?  He got body position on him like a D is supposed to do in order to box him out of setting a screen.  At that point in time, nothing is wrong in terms of King and Lundqvist.  At that point, King continues to try to get where he was going and in doing so comes into contact with Lundqvist and prevents him from being able to move freely in his crease and to make the save.  I'm not saying he meant to do it, but he still did it and didn't make any effort to avoid it.  The rules seem pretty clear on it to me.

 

[AvroArrow]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree Potvin.  I think we could go back and forth forever.

 

[lamajama]

Led Zep intro. Me likey..

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree Potvin.  I think we could go back and forth forever.

I disagree.

Kidding, agreed.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

ruh roh.....