Nik the Trik said:
L K said:
Hockey-Reference has a pretty basic formula for their era adjusted scoring but it would actually have the goal scoring title well in Howe's hands.
1. Gordie Howe* 925
2. Jaromir Jagr 824
3. Wayne Gretzky* 758
4. Teemu Selanne 741
5. Brett Hull* 738
6. Jarome Iginla 692
7. Brendan Shanahan* 672
8. Phil Esposito* 671
9. Maurice Richard* 653
10. Luc Robitaille* 652
20. Alexander Ovechkin - 596
That's interesting stuff. Personally I still count Lemieux as the all-time greatest goal-scorer but Ovechkin is definitely going to be in the conversation when all is said and done.
Yeah, I think I'd agree with that on Lemieux. His goal scoring in 95-97 and coming back in the 2000s really made it clear to me that he would have had no trouble scoring 50-60 goals/year had he not gotten sick/injured. Those would have been the years where scoring would have been adjusted in his favour and you likely see him at the top of the list.
Just to give some perspective when you adjust that list to goals/game (using on a select few because I don't want to do the math):
Howe - 0.523 G/Game
Jagr - 0.519 G/Game
Gretzky - 0.510 G/Game
Bossy - 0.613 G/Game
Sundin - 0.445 G/Game
Ovechkin - 0.745 G/Game
Lemieux - 0.673 G/Game
I think the big thing for me is that when you look at Bossy (and Ovechkin's) stats at this point is that their production stats don't include the 30s of their career when scoring pace slows down and brings the numbers more in line with a full career. That is what is so impressive about Lemieux's stats. They dwarf the other stars despite playing games injured. Despite playing games in his mid-30s after coming back for years. His stats really didn't suffer for it.
Bossy was a great scorer but his career ending at 30 shifts his scoring pace stats and as you see with era adjusted scoring, he benefitted from his career taking place in the high flying 80s. To give you an idea for just how inflated they were Gretzky's peak had his score 212, 196, 205, 208, and 215 points. Adjusted to a level scoring era that would put Wayne at 156, 159, 163, 166, 170 points.
On the side, I threw Sundin on there because we really didn't treat the guy well enough for just how good of a player he was. He scores out incredibly well in adjusted scoring era to rank out in the top 20 in goals and points. Screw you Cliff Fletcher.