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2015 NHL Entry Draft - Draft Day!

Round one went well. I like the pick, I was at nine Knights games, and this kid impressed me big time. I would like to also add that it was a good job to not panic and trade one of our core at to low a price.
 
KW Sluggo said:
herman said:
TheMightyOdin said:
Well, Ive been away from all the news and I know nothing about the draft so far.

What's the overall mood about how it's gone so far? Good, bad, undecided?
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Can't speak for everyone, but I feel very positive. They picked Marner for his skill and drive, irrespective of his current position or size.

They turned a 24th pick into a 34th, 61st, and 68th pick with two shrewd trades because the players they were targeting were still available, and just gave themselves more ammo. It's the opposite of a Burke draft.
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Shrewd?

I don't think so.

Maybe the first trade down was a reasonable move but the second one was unnecessary and ill considered.

Trading down in a top heavy draft is not a sign of genius.

Only Boston fared worse than we did yesterday (apparently turning down a higher pick in order to make one of their trades).

I am severely disappointed. They ruined the hockey season and now they are ruining the off season with more "no hope hockey" on the horizon (note: I don't mind the pain, I can take that, and I don't care about crappy hockey for a few years -- we have had a gut full of that already -- but to forgo even the cosmetics of a serious rebuild after all the promises offers no promise)

Why they could not have obtained another first round pick with all the players they purportedly intend too trade is mystifying.

Quantity over quality seldom yields better results.

Yes, I am damned disappointed.
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Is your disappointment more because of the trades they made (trading down and adding two picks) or the trades they didn't make?

I'm struggling to see how retaining their 1st round selection and adding two picks (late 2nd and early 3rd rounder) is a bad thing. I have to assume the player(s) they wanted with the 24th selection are still available. It seems they may still be getting the quality they wanted plus adding quantity.

On the other side, I can understand some disappointment in not obtaining another 1st rounder. However, they have to have willing trading partners (and players willing to waive a no-trade clause) and get good value back. You make it sound like this is easy to accomplish. You also talk about Boston's draft being terrible even though acquired two 1st round picks! Seems like you'd be terribly disappointed regardless of what the Leafs accomplished.
 
Since there are still some decent prospects available do people think it would be worth trying to take Semin off of Carolina's hands along with their second as a salary dump? Assuming we trade Kessel and a couple of other roster players we're not going to be anywhere but the basement and he might even be worth something to someone at the next or following trade deadline if he puts up reasonable numbers.
 
KW Sluggo said:
herman said:
TheMightyOdin said:
Well, Ive been away from all the news and I know nothing about the draft so far.

What's the overall mood about how it's gone so far? Good, bad, undecided?
Click to expand...

Can't speak for everyone, but I feel very positive. They picked Marner for his skill and drive, irrespective of his current position or size.

They turned a 24th pick into a 34th, 61st, and 68th pick with two shrewd trades because the players they were targeting were still available, and just gave themselves more ammo. It's the opposite of a Burke draft.
Click to expand...

Shrewd?

I don't think so.

Maybe the first trade down was a reasonable move but the second one was unnecessary and ill considered.

Trading down in a top heavy draft is not a sign of genius.

Only Boston fared worse than we did yesterday (apparently turning down a higher pick in order to make one of their trades).

I am severely disappointed. They ruined the hockey season and now they are ruining the off season with more "no hope hockey" on the horizon (note: I don't mind the pain, I can take that, and I don't care about crappy hockey for a few years -- we have had a gut full of that already -- but to forgo even the cosmetics of a serious rebuild after all the promises offers no promise)

Why they could not have obtained another first round pick with all the players they purportedly intend too trade is mystifying.

Quantity over quality seldom yields better results.

Yes, I am damned disappointed.
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Read the link posted above about draft pick value.
 
Day 2 is streaming on NHL.com: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=616&id=830815&lang=en

No region restrictions.
 
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/06/24/travis-dermott-scouting-report-2015-nhl-draft/

#58 by ISS Hockey
#30 by McKeen?s Hockey
#36 by Future Considerations
#46 by NHL Central Scouting
#42 by Bob McKenzie
 
I don't really remember him much from his games against the Knights.  I'm not sure if that's a great thing.  To be fair because of that I don't really have a good read on his game so I'm not going to trash the pick but there are other guys I would have liked to see the Leafs take.
 
Sounds a bit like Percy/Finn, not really flashy but intelligent/cerebral players who are "guaranteed" to be NHLers in some capacity. Those picks haven't exactly worked out to this point, so hopefully Dermott bucks that trend. Was obviously rooting for someone with a higher upside in Sprong/Kylington, but oh well.
 
Potvin29 said:
KW Sluggo said:
herman said:
TheMightyOdin said:
Well, Ive been away from all the news and I know nothing about the draft so far.

What's the overall mood about how it's gone so far? Good, bad, undecided?
Click to expand...

Can't speak for everyone, but I feel very positive. They picked Marner for his skill and drive, irrespective of his current position or size.

They turned a 24th pick into a 34th, 61st, and 68th pick with two shrewd trades because the players they were targeting were still available, and just gave themselves more ammo. It's the opposite of a Burke draft.
Click to expand...

Shrewd?

I don't think so.

Maybe the first trade down was a reasonable move but the second one was unnecessary and ill considered.

Trading down in a top heavy draft is not a sign of genius.

Only Boston fared worse than we did yesterday (apparently turning down a higher pick in order to make one of their trades).

I am severely disappointed. They ruined the hockey season and now they are ruining the off season with more "no hope hockey" on the horizon (note: I don't mind the pain, I can take that, and I don't care about crappy hockey for a few years -- we have had a gut full of that already -- but to forgo even the cosmetics of a serious rebuild after all the promises offers no promise)

Why they could not have obtained another first round pick with all the players they purportedly intend too trade is mystifying.

Quantity over quality seldom yields better results.

Yes, I am damned disappointed.
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Read the link posted above about draft pick value.
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That paper is impressive except for the fact that he overlooks his single most important finding, which is the huge dropoff between the first and second rounds for skaters (table 3). The take home message is not some spurious additive "value" of picks (that simply captures the trivial observation that it would be better to have some unrealistically greater number of picks than your opponents).  The real message is that you should do whatever you can to get first round picks. Which we managed to trade away one of yesterday.
 
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