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2015 NHL Entry Draft

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15. As Toronto goes through its rebuilding, here?s a stat to know. In the 2011-15 OHL Drafts, the teams with the most selections were Sault Ste. Marie (with 69) and London (67). Those GMs? Kyle Dubas and Mark Hunter, now members of the Maple Leafs? front office. You can expect both men will carry this philosophy with them to the NHL. Picks, picks, and more picks.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-face-deadline-crossroads/
 
A little bit further on that point, there's been a couple of articles lately on the value of a draft pick:

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

The basic gist of both is that when teams are looking at acquiring draft picks they should be looking at quantity over quality, and that mid-to-late draft picks are probably more valuable than people give them credit for.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
A little bit further on that point, there's been a couple of articles lately on the value of a draft pick:

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

The basic gist of both is that when teams are looking at acquiring draft picks they should be looking at quantity over quality, and that mid-to-late draft picks are probably more valuable than people give them credit for.
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And even further to the Friedman point, you can see it with the Soo Greyhounds (and I'm sure the Knights as well) that the team since Dubas was there has a sort of layered system of prospects now, guys who almost seem to come out of nowhere and are productive and will be even when they lose graduating players.  The Greyhounds did not really have this for years and years.  Not all their picks are working out, but they're creating a system where the team is made up of so many homegrown picks that they're able to work them into the lineup each season and they should be set up for the foreseeable future.

I mean, it's not groundbreaking, but as we've seen with the Leafs they've been very cavalier with trading picks and not recouping them in recent memory.
 
Potvin29 said:
And even further to the Friedman point, you can see it with the Soo Greyhounds (and I'm sure the Knights as well) that the team since Dubas was there has a sort of layered system of prospects now, guys who almost seem to come out of nowhere and are productive and will be even when they lose graduating players.  The Greyhounds did not really have this for years and years.  Not all their picks are working out, but they're creating a system where the team is made up of so many homegrown picks that they're able to work them into the lineup each season and they should be set up for the foreseeable future.

I mean, it's not groundbreaking, but as we've seen with the Leafs they've been very cavalier with trading picks and not recouping them in recent memory.
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And, in a capped league, that's absolutely the type of system you need to have in place for sustained success. Outside of your core group, you need to a number of cheap, contributing players, as well as prospects in the pipeline to replace those players when they become too expensive. To become and remain a contending team, you need to be in the position where you can move out secondary pieces for future assets and have immediate equivalent replacements for them. The only way to get that started is by acquiring draft picks and young talent.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
And even further to the Friedman point, you can see it with the Soo Greyhounds (and I'm sure the Knights as well) that the team since Dubas was there has a sort of layered system of prospects now, guys who almost seem to come out of nowhere and are productive and will be even when they lose graduating players.  The Greyhounds did not really have this for years and years.  Not all their picks are working out, but they're creating a system where the team is made up of so many homegrown picks that they're able to work them into the lineup each season and they should be set up for the foreseeable future.

I mean, it's not groundbreaking, but as we've seen with the Leafs they've been very cavalier with trading picks and not recouping them in recent memory.
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And, in a capped league, that's absolutely the type of system you need to have in place for sustained success. Outside of your core group, you need to a number of cheap, contributing players, as well as prospects in the pipeline to replace those players when they become too expensive. To become and remain a contending team, you need to be in the position where you can move out secondary pieces for future assets and have immediate equivalent replacements for them. The only way to get that started is by acquiring draft picks and young talent.
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What would happen if every team started to do this?  It would be interesting at that point.  I wonder if the pendulum would swing back to trades and the teams that had the GM's that were able to make the best deals would be the best teams.  Or if it would boil down to scouting on each of the teams.  The teams with the best scouting groups would reign supreme.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
What would happen if every team started to do this?  It would be interesting at that point.  I wonder if the pendulum would swing back to trades and the teams that had the GM's that were able to make the best deals would be the best teams.  Or if it would boil down to scouting on each of the teams.  The teams with the best scouting groups would reign supreme.
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Well, if every team started doing it, you'd see a lot less draft picks being moved. You'd see a lot more player for player, prospect for prospect type moves, and, yeah, that's when you'd really see the difference in terms of the talent in individual teams' head offices, scouting departments and coaching/development staffs. I think you'd also see much more of a gap in terms of what the top players in the league were making and what the rest of the players were. There'd be less of a middle class in terms of salary.
 
In the past 5 drafts Chicago has made 21 selections in the first 3 rounds. In 2010 they had four 2nd round draft picks, although oddly enough none of them because NHLers. That's still nuts though for a perennial Stanley Cup contender.

For comparative purposes the Leafs made 12 picks in the first 3 rounds during that span.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
In the past 5 drafts Chicago has made 21 selections in the first 3 rounds. In 2010 they had four 2nd round draft picks, although oddly enough none of them because NHLers. That's still nuts though for a perennial Stanley Cup contender.

For comparative purposes the Leafs made 12 picks in the first 3 rounds during that span.
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Lets hope this year goes better for us.
 
If Edmonton finishes with 2nd pick overall, and Leafs end with 4 or 5. Do you think they'd consider swapping places if we threw Phaneuf into the deal. They are desperate for veteran D. He's a hometown boy and it would still give them a top pick. If they take Eichel though, it could make Nugent Hopkins or Draisaitl trade bait. I assume they would consider any of those 3 future third line centres. However, with Edmonton fans absolutely fed up, they may not be willing to wait longer on the young talent and may want to adds from vets in there. Just saying?
 
Here's a helpful list of who has what picks for the 2015 Draft.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/12386853/2015-nhl-draft-picks-team

Right now Leafs have:
- 2 first round picks (TOR & NSH)
- 0 second round picks
- 1 third round pick
- 2 fourth round picks (TOR & PITT)
- 1 fifth round pick
- 1 sixth round pick
- 1 seventh round pick
 
"That would be a dream come true for me," Marner, the 17-year-old from Thornhill, said. "Growing up in Toronto, everyone always dreams of playing and winning a Stanley Cup in their hometown, for them. With the struggle the Leafs have been through the past couple of years and the playoff slumps they've had, you want to be the guy who goes in there and helps them get to the post-season and takes them as far as you can.

"You want to be the guy that puts a 'C' on their sweater and wins a Cup in Toronto. It would be a great accomplishment and then, you will forever be a hero in that town."
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Bring him home.
 
Strome and McDavid have also both talked about how being a Leaf would be a dream come true. We're almost definitely going to be drafting one of those three players (Strome/Marner much more likely obviously). That'll shut Cherry up at least for a bit.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Strome and McDavid have also both talked about how being a Leaf would be a dream come true. We're almost definitely going to be drafting one of those three players (Strome/Marner much more likely obviously). That'll shut Cherry up at least for a bit.
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Ahem: 
"See this tie.  It's Peanuts.  Charlie, Lucy, Snoopy, Woodstock.
Now don't me started on the Leafs.  I never kick a team when they are down.  You know.  I follow these kids.  I'm the only one out at the rinks.  Drafting tiny Marner when a good Canadian boy like Crouse is available.  Team Canada.  He hits.  He plays the game the right way.  None of this soft, weak pansy hockey.  It makes me sick." 

Never underestimate his ability to be stupid.
 
L K said:
Ahem: 
"See this tie.  It's Peanuts.  Charlie, Lucy, Snoopy, Woodstock.
Now don't me started on the Leafs.  I never kick a team when they are down.  You know.  I follow these kids.  I'm the only one out at the rinks.  Drafting tiny Marner when a good Canadian boy like Crouse is available.  Team Canada.  He hits.  He plays the game the right way.  None of this soft, weak pansy hockey.  It makes me sick." 

Never underestimate his ability to be stupid.
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You forgot to throw in a Gilmour reference ("Dougie drafted this kid, he knows a winner when he sees one"), but other than that pretty good.
 
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