2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1192079588643549185

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1192079588643549185

I can understand this chart cause blue is the colour of the Leafs and represents all that is good and right with the world and red represents the Habs, the evil in the hearts of all men.

 

[herman]

I was kidding really. I was just investigating what it felt like to run around screaming for people to be fired. It was weird. I'm back to not caring what they do with their money.

That was difficult sarcasm to detect! Although considering who was posting, I really should have twigged to that instead of ruining your joke (which is unfortunately on brand for me).

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I was kidding really. I was just investigating what it felt like to run around screaming for people to be fired. It was weird. I'm back to not caring what they do with their money.

That was difficult sarcasm to detect! Although considering who was posting, I really should have twigged to that instead of ruining your joke (which is unfortunately on brand for me).

The best sarcasm is those that are hard to detect. Next time I'll put a winky face in there for you

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1192191447010856961
Leafs play Thursday, and then back-to-back games on Saturday and Sunday. So a potential return for Sunday?

https://twitter.com/jccuthbert/status/1192194590113255433
This would be surprising to me, but we'll see. Has nothing to do with how I feel about Marincin, but carrying 7 defencemen just seems like the logical move. Especially with whatever is going on with Rielly. But it means that they'll be able to keep two of Shore/Spezza/Timashov on the roster instead of just one. Maybe they just need more time to figure out what to do with Spezza.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1192191447010856961
Leafs play Thursday, and then back-to-back games on Saturday and Sunday. So a potential return for Sunday?

https://twitter.com/jccuthbert/status/1192194590113255433
This would be surprising to me, but we'll see. Has nothing to do with how I feel about Marincin, but carrying 7 defencemen just seems like the logical move. Especially with whatever is going on with Rielly. But it means that they'll be able to keep two of Shore/Spezza/Timashov on the roster instead of just one. Maybe they just need more time to figure out what to do with Spezza.

The only time you really need any extras is on the road, even then if it's not the west coast, getting a flight isn't a big deal. Having the farm team in Toronto is huge. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle this.
Curious note about Spezza and Shore though. I wonder who he goes with. Shore is at 60% and Spezza is at just over 50%. Spezza is more offensive tho so it'll be interesting.
Anyway Babs stated last night that Hyman will be taking the D zone, PK draws on the right side so something has to give.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1192191447010856961
Leafs play Thursday, and then back-to-back games on Saturday and Sunday. So a potential return for Sunday?

https://twitter.com/jccuthbert/status/1192194590113255433
This would be surprising to me, but we'll see. Has nothing to do with how I feel about Marincin, but carrying 7 defencemen just seems like the logical move. Especially with whatever is going on with Rielly. But it means that they'll be able to keep two of Shore/Spezza/Timashov on the roster instead of just one. Maybe they just need more time to figure out what to do with Spezza.

The only time you really need any extras is on the road, even then if it's not the west coast, getting a flight isn't a big deal. Having the farm team in Toronto is huge. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle this.
Curious note about Spezza and Shore though. I wonder who he goes with. Shore is at 60% and Spezza is at just over 50%. Spezza is more offensive tho so it'll be interesting.
Anyway Babs stated last night that Hyman will be taking the D zone, PK draws on the right side so something has to give.

What are the rules? Say they have a few guys still assigned with the Marlies but just happen to take the flight with the Leafs?  If an injury happens on the trip they "call up" that player and voila he happens to already be there.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Anyway Babs stated last night that Hyman will be taking the D zone, PK draws on the right side so something has to give.

Oh, that's interesting he said that. Right now the only guys really taking PK draws are Gauthier (on the left usually) and Shore (on the right usually). So if Hyman's penciled in to start taking Shore's draws then that really takes away a lot of his usefulness to the team. That sounds like the writing is on the wall for Shore. So I'm guessing him and Marincin are waivers bound. The 4th line will be Timashov-Gauthier-Moore. Spezza stays on the roster since he's a good utility guy who can help cover a forward injury anywhere in the line-up at any position.

If there's a non-LTIR injury to a defenceman, Mikheyev will likely need to be sent down to the Marlies temporarily to make room for a call-up as he's the only forward who doesn't require waivers.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1192191447010856961
Leafs play Thursday, and then back-to-back games on Saturday and Sunday. So a potential return for Sunday?

https://twitter.com/jccuthbert/status/1192194590113255433
This would be surprising to me, but we'll see. Has nothing to do with how I feel about Marincin, but carrying 7 defencemen just seems like the logical move. Especially with whatever is going on with Rielly. But it means that they'll be able to keep two of Shore/Spezza/Timashov on the roster instead of just one. Maybe they just need more time to figure out what to do with Spezza.

The only time you really need any extras is on the road, even then if it's not the west coast, getting a flight isn't a big deal. Having the farm team in Toronto is huge. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle this.
Curious note about Spezza and Shore though. I wonder who he goes with. Shore is at 60% and Spezza is at just over 50%. Spezza is more offensive tho so it'll be interesting.
Anyway Babs stated last night that Hyman will be taking the D zone, PK draws on the right side so something has to give.

What are the rules? Say they have a few guys still assigned with the Marlies but just happen to take the flight with the Leafs?  If an injury happens on the trip they "call up" that player and voila he happens to already be there.

Kind of. They get sent down on paper only. Mikheyev like CTB mentioned will be one of those. He may miss a game because he's waiver exempt and we may have to move a guy because of injury. Either that or go with a short roster for a game then they can use emergency roster whatever they call it.

 

[Highlander]

Or you put Petan on a raft with a month food and water and set him adrift on the high seas.  He may pass Robidas Island and wave to the remaining inhabitants.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Or you put Petan on a raft with a month food and water and set him adrift on the high seas.  He may pass Robidas Island and wave to the remaining inhabitants.

LOL.  And may I add, dole out cheese & wine to everyone once he lands. 

 

[Frank E]

Anyway Babs stated last night that Hyman will be taking the D zone, PK draws on the right side so something has to give.

Oh, that's interesting he said that. Right now the only guys really taking PK draws are Gauthier (on the left usually) and Shore (on the right usually). So if Hyman's penciled in to start taking Shore's draws then that really takes away a lot of his usefulness to the team. That sounds like the writing is on the wall for Shore. So I'm guessing him and Marincin are waivers bound. The 4th line will be Timashov-Gauthier-Moore. Spezza stays on the roster since he's a good utility guy who can help cover a forward injury anywhere in the line-up at any position.

If there's a non-LTIR injury to a defenceman, Mikheyev will likely need to be sent down to the Marlies temporarily to make room for a call-up as he's the only forward who doesn't require waivers.

This is all a bit of a mess. 

 

[Kin]

If the next CBA doesn't have serious and substantial changes to the cap I may be done with this sport. The fact that this level of nonsense has become normalized as something fans should pay attention to is just absurd.

 

[ZBBM]

If the next CBA doesn't have serious and substantial changes to the cap I may be done with this sport. The fact that this level of nonsense has become normalized as something fans should pay attention to is just absurd.

I support you.

OTOH it has provided an endless stream of material for hockey writers, and to the extent that it has displaced nothingburger speculation pieces, it's good.

 

[herman]

Babcock talking up Spezza?s off ice qualities basically means he?s being waived.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Babcock talking up Spezza?s off ice qualities basically means he?s being waived.

Babcock would want that in a 13th forward though because he's probably never seeing the ice.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This is all a bit of a mess. 

What especially sucks is that we're only like just a little over $200k shy from being able to carry a 22nd player. Like if we didn't give Ceci that dumb $200k raise and Marner ended his AAV with 16 instead of 93 we might have been ok.

 

[Frank E]

This is all a bit of a mess. 

What especially sucks is that we're only like just a little over $200k shy from being able to carry a 22nd player. Like if we didn't give Ceci that dumb $200k raise and Marner ended his AAV with 16 instead of 93 we might have been ok.

I agree with you, and I think Dubas didn't get enough shit for the stupid extra $200K for Ceci knowing full well he wasn't even worth his qualifying offer.  Big dumb move, and I really don't care about whatever his rationale may have been there.

But at the same time, a few hundred grand off of Marner's deal, or Johnsson's, or Kapanen, or more retained for Barrie, or even Matthews' deal could have been shaved a bit, would have helped...but just because Marner was the last piece to sign doesn't really mean that it's Marner's deal that made the problem happen...unless you believe that Marner shouldn't have been signed to that high of a number in the first place.

 

[herman]

Babcock talking up Spezza?s off ice qualities basically means he?s being waived.

Babcock would want that in a 13th forward though because he's probably never seeing the ice.

Oh true. Happy to be there, player-coach fount of knowledge for the youth without compromising the on-ice talent level, and decent sub for when a forward injury hits.

18-34-88
11-91-16
65-15-24
41-33-42
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44-83
8-94
23-3

 

[Bullfrog]

I agree with you, and I think Dubas didn't get enough shit for the stupid extra $200K for Ceci knowing full well he wasn't even worth his qualifying offer.  Big dumb move, and I really don't care about whatever his rationale may have been there.

But at the same time, a few hundred grand off of Marner's deal, or Johnsson's, or Kapanen, or more retained for Barrie, or even Matthews' deal could have been shaved a bit, would have helped...but just because Marner was the last piece to sign doesn't really mean that it's Marner's deal that made the problem happen...unless you believe that Marner shouldn't have been signed to that high of a number in the first place.

Interesting... I think we should have a fullsome discussion on the relative value of Marner's deal. I'm sure it would lead to productive and clearly rationale arguments.

On the Ceci thing, I agree with you totally. I hoped I'd come to understand the reasoning for that contract over time. This has not happened. Is there some esoteric CBA reasoning behind offering that contract instead of just the qualifying offer?