2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion

[herman]

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1141791472943058945

Looks like we have some assistant coach candidates on tap

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1141879710370140162

 

[gunnar36]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1141879710370140162

You know, it would really suck if Kapanen becomes the casualty of being stuck with that final year of the bad Marleau contract.  This was terrible foresight by management and you could argue that there have been no tangible gains in bringing Marleau aboard in the first place.

 

[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1141879710370140162

You know, it would really suck if Kapanen becomes the casualty of being stuck with that final year of the bad Marleau contract.  This was terrible foresight by management and you could argue that there have been no tangible gains in bringing Marleau aboard in the first place.

Excuse me but blame Lou!

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1141879710370140162

You know, it would really suck if Kapanen becomes the casualty of being stuck with that final year of the bad Marleau contract.  This was terrible foresight by management and you could argue that there have been no tangible gains in bringing Marleau aboard in the first place.

Kappy doesn't have to be a casualty. Trade Hyman along with Brown and you gain over 2.3 million if you replace them with Marlies. Add in Kadri and there's another 3.5. There's ways of keeping guys, just not all of them.
I don't read anything into Dubas' comments. What's he going to say? Same with the not a foregone conclusion they'd match an offer sheet for Marner/RFA's.
As for Marleau I think the Matthews' interview was more telling. It sounded, to me anyway, like Marleau was going. Being close to Marleau he's probably heard the plan that could already be in place that we'll most likely have to wait for because of the bonus to be paid July 1.
The next 2 weeks should be interesting.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dubas presser.
fw.to/YwEOQLM#TSNHockey

 

[herman]

Transcript that I posted in the wrong thread

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/06/21/kyle-dubas-id-rather-if-we-are-going-to-pay-our-players-pay-our-top-guys-and-then-force-our-staff-to-get-creative-around-the-edges-of-the-team/

All the words basically to say, we will evaluate our options.

That and the thinly veiled finger pointing at the Marner camp for all the bluster.

 

[Goaliedave31]

Why would anyone suggest trading Hyman to create cap space for a player that's not as good as him? Babcock loves the guy and he's the hardest worker on the team. More guys like him are what's needed.

 

[Zee]

Why would anyone suggest trading Hyman to create cap space for a player that's not as good as him? Babcock loves the guy and he's the hardest worker on the team. More guys like him are what's needed.

Hyman's a hard worker for sure, but he's not the most skilled forward you'll ever see and he's 27.  How much longer do you think his hard work ethic will take him especially considering the type of game he plays?  I don't think a team full of Hymans wins you a Cup, you need skill first and foremost.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Hyman's a hard worker for sure, but he's not the most skilled forward you'll ever see and he's 27.  How much longer do you think his hard work ethic will take him especially considering the type of game he plays?

He's only entering his 4th NHL season, so it's not as if there's a ton of miles on that body. 

I don't think a team full of Hymans wins you a Cup, you need skill first and foremost.

Well we don't have a team full of Hyman's. We literally have just one. There's plenty and plenty of skill elsewhere.

 

[ZBBM]

Yes, Hyman's not the guy we should look to be moving first to save cap space.

 

[Zee]

Hyman's a hard worker for sure, but he's not the most skilled forward you'll ever see and he's 27.  How much longer do you think his hard work ethic will take him especially considering the type of game he plays?

He's only entering his 4th NHL season, so it's not as if there's a ton of miles on that body. 

I don't think a team full of Hymans wins you a Cup, you need skill first and foremost.

Well we don't have a team full of Hyman's. We literally have just one. There's plenty and plenty of skill elsewhere.

I was replying to the "we need more guys like Hyman" mentality.  No we don't.  Maybe Trevor Moore is a Hyman replacement who might actually have more skill, is younger and is cheaper for the next few seasons.  Hyman doesn't have to be moved away from this offseason, but in a year or 2?  I would say so.

 

[Bender]

Hyman's a hard worker for sure, but he's not the most skilled forward you'll ever see and he's 27.  How much longer do you think his hard work ethic will take him especially considering the type of game he plays?

He's only entering his 4th NHL season, so it's not as if there's a ton of miles on that body. 

I don't think a team full of Hymans wins you a Cup, you need skill first and foremost.

Well we don't have a team full of Hyman's. We literally have just one. There's plenty and plenty of skill elsewhere.

I was replying to the "we need more guys like Hyman" mentality.  No we don't.  Maybe Trevor Moore is a Hyman replacement who might actually have more skill, is younger and is cheaper for the next few seasons.  Hyman doesn't have to be moved away from this offseason, but in a year or 2?  I would say so.

Hyman's cheap, a big body and brings some sandpaper to the table. He's fine for now until he wants a bigger raise. Moore is Brown's replacement. We don't have enough quality guys to replace Hyman with a player who will save us, what $1m? 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I was replying to the "we need more guys like Hyman" mentality.  No we don't.

I'm not so sure. I think even some progressive Leafs fans wouldn't pass at the opportunity to get a little more size/grit into the line-up, it just has to be through players who can actually provide valuable minutes beyond that as well.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm not so sure. I think even some progressive Leafs fans wouldn't pass at the opportunity to get a little more size/grit into the line-up, it just has to be through players who can actually provide valuable minutes beyond that as well.

Yeah. Also, having other guys who have that kind of work ethic - especially to play on the 4th line - wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

And, Hyman's not being moved this summer. With his injury, his value is low, and his contract isn't onerous enough to force the team's hand - especially since his contributions are very much in line with his pay/cap hit. Would I like to see a more talented player on the Tavares-Marner line? Sure. Do I think it would make a huge difference to that line's production? Nope, and, therefore, not a priority at all.

 

[herman]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27017561/how-noelle-needham-hayley-wickenheiser-smashing-hockey-glass-ceiling

So when the Maple Leafs hired Needham as an amateur scout last August -- making her the first woman to serve in such a role full-time -- and named six-time Olympian Hayley Wickenheiser as their assistant director of player development -- the highest hockey operations role ever held by a woman -- it made waves within the sport. Needham and Wickenheiser joined a staff that already included Meg Popovic, Toronto's director of well-being and performance, and Barb Underhill, a former world champion pair figure skater who serves as a skating consultant to both the Maple Leafs and their AHL affiliate, the Toronto Marlies. Every time Toronto players went to the rink last season, they not only interacted with women, but relied on women to help them become better hockey players. Suddenly, the Maple Leafs had as many women working in their front office as all the other teams in the league combined.

The Leafs also have Judy Cohen, the only female analyst on staff in the league (now that Minnesota has lost war-on-ice.com duo Alexandra Mandrycky & Andrew Thomas).

 

[princedpw]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1141879710370140162

You know, it would really suck if Kapanen becomes the casualty of being stuck with that final year of the bad Marleau contract.  This was terrible foresight by management and you could argue that there have been no tangible gains in bringing Marleau aboard in the first place.

Kappy doesn't have to be a casualty. Trade Hyman along with Brown and you gain over 2.3 million if you replace them with Marlies. Add in Kadri and there's another 3.5. There's ways of keeping guys, just not all of them.
I don't read anything into Dubas' comments. What's he going to say? Same with the not a foregone conclusion they'd match an offer sheet for Marner/RFA's.
As for Marleau I think the Matthews' interview was more telling. It sounded, to me anyway, like Marleau was going. Being close to Marleau he's probably heard the plan that could already be in place that we'll most likely have to wait for because of the bonus to be paid July 1.
The next 2 weeks should be interesting.

I like Kappy but I just think he is much more easily replaced than Kadri.  Kadri can hold a 3rd line together, be good defensively and offensively but I don't think Kappy can.  And moving Nylander down hurts both Nylander and Matthews.  I guess I just haven't heard a proposed trade involving Kadri that makes any sense to me.

 

[princedpw]

I'm not so sure. I think even some progressive Leafs fans wouldn't pass at the opportunity to get a little more size/grit into the line-up, it just has to be through players who can actually provide valuable minutes beyond that as well.

Yeah. Also, having other guys who have that kind of work ethic - especially to play on the 4th line - wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

And, Hyman's not being moved this summer. With his injury, his value is low, and his contract isn't onerous enough to force the team's hand - especially since his contributions are very much in line with his pay/cap hit. Would I like to see a more talented player on the Tavares-Marner line? Sure. Do I think it would make a huge difference to that line's production? Nope, and, therefore, not a priority at all.

While Hyman has plenty of eye-test flaws, the metrics seem to suggest his talented linemates, be it Tavares, Marner, Matthews or Nylander play better with him than without him.  Throw in decent penalty killing and that's a pretty useful player at 2.X million.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Darn I had hoped we had seen the last of Marleau

 

[herman]

Darn I had hoped we had seen the last of Marleau

Marleau has a two-part signing bonus due July 1 and December 1 (1.5M each). After July 1 will be an opportunity to see if anyone bites. After Dec 1 and to the deadline will be another opportunity to get him closer to home.

If nothing comes up right away, he'll be given an opportunity to succeed as best as he still can to keep his profile up around the league. Veteran 4th line playoff experience always has a market.