2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion

[Guilt Trip]

Listening to the Dubas pressr, it sounds like Marleau wants to go back and finish his career in SJ. I guess Dubas laid it out for him and Marleau wants out.

 

[Zee]

Listening to the Dubas pressr, it sounds like Marleau wants to go back and finish his career in SJ. I guess Dubas laid it out for him and Marleau wants out.

The harsh realities.  He wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too.  Had to have that 3rd year, but now doesn't want to be a 4th liner.  Hey Patty, SJ isn't taking you back at that cap hit.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

 

[Zee]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

 

[bustaheims]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They could make it work if they can convince Thornton to sign a bonus heavy contract and are willing to carryover a chunk it for next season. It's not an easy fit, by any means.

If a third team became involved, that could theoretically work - the Leafs could retain 50% his contract, and the intermediary could retain 50% of the remainder, which would leave Marleau with a cap hit of $1.5625M for the Sharks. This scenario would probably cost the Leafs the least in terms of assets - they'd only be asking a team to take on $1.5625M in dead cap, and that team would presumably get something in return for Marleau from the Sharks (at that cap hit, he has value). Though, admittedly, it's on the fringes of the realm of possibilities.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

 

[Bates]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

 

[bustaheims]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Bonuses get bought out at their full amount, and, as Bates points out, the standard buyout period ends before the first part would be paid. For the Leafs to cover the first part and have Marleau get bought out, they'd have to trade him to a team that would qualify for the post-arbitration buyout period - which could mean Marleau doesn't end up a free agent until late July/early August.

EDIT: Never mind. You can only buyout players that were on your reserve list at the previous trade deadline in this period, so, Marleau can't be bought out by anyone other than the Leafs in this period.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Bonuses get bought out at their full amount, and, as Bates points out, the standard buyout period ends before the first part would be paid. For the Leafs to cover the first part and have Marleau get bought out, they'd have to trade him to a team that would qualify for the post-arbitration buyout period - which could mean Marleau doesn't end up a free agent until late July/early August.

EDIT: Never mind. You can only buyout players that were on your reserve list at the previous trade deadline in this period, so, Marleau can't be bought out by anyone other than the Leafs in this period.

Didn't Orpik get traded to Colorado, bought out, and then re-signed with Washington all in a matter of two weeks?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move. Also just saw that Troy Brouwer was bought out in Aug last year. Don't know the reason why.

 

[bustaheims]

Didn't Orpik get traded to Colorado, bought out, and then re-signed with Washington all in a matter of two weeks?

Sure, but there were no signing bonus gymnastics to navigate in that one.

 

[Zee]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Bonuses get bought out at their full amount, and, as Bates points out, the standard buyout period ends before the first part would be paid. For the Leafs to cover the first part and have Marleau get bought out, they'd have to trade him to a team that would qualify for the post-arbitration buyout period - which could mean Marleau doesn't end up a free agent until late July/early August.

EDIT: Never mind. You can only buyout players that were on your reserve list at the previous trade deadline in this period, so, Marleau can't be bought out by anyone other than the Leafs in this period.

Didn't Orpik get traded to Colorado, bought out, and then re-signed with Washington all in a matter of two weeks?

That's correct, how the hell did that work?

 

[Zee]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

They both have to agree to terminate right?  Would Marleau be willing to walk away from the money?  Doubt it.

 

[Bates]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

Sure, get Marleau to agree to letting his $4 go away and his career being over.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

They both have to agree to terminate right?  Would Marleau be willing to walk away from the money?  Doubt it.

Yes, it has to be mutual.

 

[Bates]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move. Also just saw that Troy Brouwer was bought out in Aug last year. Don't know the reason why.

Think there are different buyout rules if you have arbitration cases.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

They both have to agree to terminate right?  Would Marleau be willing to walk away from the money?  Doubt it.

I think they'd still pay his bonuses and his salary is only 1.25 which could easily be paid by SJ.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Sure, get Marleau to agree to letting his $4 go away and his career being over.

Why would his career be over?

 

[Bates]

Sharks have quite a few players to sign as it is.  Even if the Leafs retained $1.5m I don't see SJ doing it.

They wouldn't do it even if the Leafs retained half.

They can do it if the Leafs trade Marleau to team x and that team buys him out. Then he could sign with SJ for a minimum contract. The buyout cost would only be $416,667 for 2 years and the cap hit would remain the same for this year only. He's owed 3 mill in signing bonuses so I don't know how those are split, but I would guess the biggest part comes July 1. So it can be done but I think it will cost the Leafs a prospect or pick to do it.

Isn't there an issue with signing bonuses not being part of buyout and buyout having to happen before July 1st so Leafs Can't pay signing bonus first. It's July and Dec for signing bonuses BTW.

I think you're right.  How about the Leafs terminate his contract like Habs did with Plekanec last year? That is a legal move.

They both have to agree to terminate right?  Would Marleau be willing to walk away from the money?  Doubt it.

I think they'd still pay his bonuses and his salary is only 1.25 which could easily be paid by SJ.

I doubt you can pull the mutual termination card and sign elsewhere.

 

[Bates]

Sure, get Marleau to agree to letting his $4 go away and his career being over.

Why would his career be over?

Has there ever been a player that the League allowed to mutually terminate a contract for that played again right away in NHL? These are generally return to Europe or retirement deals.