2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[ZBBM]

Proven chemistry with Muzzin?  I must have missed that.  He was paired with him because Barrie and Ceci were awful.

I mean if you missed the 32 games that Muzzin and Holl played together I guess that's on you.

Like I said, that's not chemistry, it's necessity.

I'm not sure it matters why they were put together, what matters is once they were they had very good on-ice results. 52.92 CF%, 53.85 GF%, 56.26 xGF%. All while starting most of their shifts in the defensive zone and against the other teams top players. I can't find the post now but a month or two ago I wrote about how those were among the best numbers for shutdown pairings this season.

So are you saying Holl is vastly underrated top 4 defenseman?

 

[herman]

Holl is underrated, but he is not a panacea. Anything that pushes him lower in the lineup is only going to help. He and Dermott held the fort reasonably well when both Rielly and Muzzin were down.

The real point behind those figures is that Muzzin, paired with the right type of cheapo-partner, can carry a pair and the cap can be spread to bolster other parts of the lineup. Neither Barrie nor Ceci could do what Holl did.

 

[herman]

A tweet about this came up earlier last week but I can't find it, so I have to do my own math

Lou Lamoriello​			Kyle Dubas​
2017-2018​			2020-2021 (so far)​
Morgan Rielly	5		Jake Muzzin	5.25
Nikita Zaitsev	4.5		Morgan Rielly	5
Jake Gardiner	4.05		TJ Brodie	5
Ron Hainsey	3		Justin Holl	2
Roman Polak	1.1		Zach Bogosian	1
Travis Dermott	0.863		Travis Dermott	RFA
Andreas Borgman	0.925		Mikko Lehtonen	0.925
Connor Carrick	0.750		Martin Marincin	0.7
Total Cap Hit	20.188		Total Cap Hit	19.875
Cap Percentage	26.92%		Cap Percentage	24.39%

 

[Bender]

A tweet about this came up earlier last week but I can't find it, so I have to do my own math

Lou Lamoriello​			Kyle Dubas​
2017-2018​			2020-2021 (so far)​
Morgan Rielly	5		Jake Muzzin	5.25
Nikita Zaitsev	4.5		Morgan Rielly	5
Jake Gardiner	4.05		TJ Brodie	5
Ron Hainsey	3		Justin Holl	2
Roman Polak	1.1		Zach Bogosian	1
Travis Dermott	0.863		Travis Dermott	RFA
Andreas Borgman	0.925		Mikko Lehtonen	0.925
Connor Carrick	0.750		Martin Marincin	0.7
Total Cap Hit	20.188		Total Cap Hit	19.875
Cap Percentage	26.92%		Cap Percentage	24.39%

If Marincin is our 8th guy I'm ok with that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So are you saying Holl is vastly underrated top 4 defenseman?

If playing with Muzzin continues to provide those types of results who cares what he's labelled as.

 

[Guilt Trip]

A tweet about this came up earlier last week but I can't find it, so I have to do my own math

Lou Lamoriello​			Kyle Dubas​
2017-2018​			2020-2021 (so far)​
Morgan Rielly	5		Jake Muzzin	5.25
Nikita Zaitsev	4.5		Morgan Rielly	5
Jake Gardiner	4.05		TJ Brodie	5
Ron Hainsey	3		Justin Holl	2
Roman Polak	1.1		Zach Bogosian	1
Travis Dermott	0.863		Travis Dermott	RFA
Andreas Borgman	0.925		Mikko Lehtonen	0.925
Connor Carrick	0.750		Martin Marincin	0.7
Total Cap Hit	20.188		Total Cap Hit	19.875
Cap Percentage	26.92%		Cap Percentage	24.39%

If Marincin is our 8th guy I'm ok with that.

I'd rather have Sandin, Liljegren, CC before MM.

 

[herman]

If Marincin is our 8th guy I'm ok with that.

I just went with the top 8 by games played that season. Borgman (recently signed with Tampa) was up for only half that season.
Marincin is only 8th on the 2020 list by games played last season. If a PKer goes down, he's probably next on the list up. Sandin/Liljegren otherwise.

 

[herman]

Quick fire reactions (in one place) since we're hitting a slightly boring stretch:
Yay, Meh, Boo. Elaborate, if you wish, or group by reaction instead of by player transaction
I only did stuff that happened since the Leafs were ousted from the play-in.

Kasperi Kapanen trade: YAY
Denis Malgin re-signing: meh
Jason Spezza re-signing: yay
Wayne Simmonds signing: yay
TJ Brodie signing: YAY
Travis Boyd signing: meh
Zach Bogosian signing: meh
Andreas Johnsson trade: yay
Jimmy Vesey signing: meh

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/taj1944/status/1315709279807053825
Yeah, that's an okay miss and also an okay offer.

 

[Highlander]

Kasperi Kapanen trade: BIG YAY (I really like Amirov, like Wallender's potential, Cap Space, yes)
Denis Malgin re-signing: meh  (scored a lovely goal the other day though)
Jason Spezza re-signing: yay
Wayne Simmonds signing: yay (Can score and punch face)
TJ Brodie signing: YAY
Travis Boyd signing: meh (Travis who?)
Zach Bogosian signing: yay. (only cause my son has wanted to get him for years and a T.O. Boy)
Andreas Johnsson trade: yay (even though I followed AJ from pre signing and was a favourite, but had to go)
Jimmy Vesey signing: meh  (had to have a Vesey at some point)

 

[Kin]

Sure.

Draft: Boo
Kapanen trade: yay
Spezza: yay
Simmonds: yay
Bogosian: yay but so muted that you almost think it's sarcastic
Brodie: yay

All the rest, meh.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Kasperi Kapanen trade: Yup, Cap space, 1st rounder for an overpaid 3rd liner.
Denis Malgin re-signing: meh, depth forward and if it doesn't work out, oh well, waivers.
Jason Spezza re-signing: Yup
Wayne Simmonds signing: Yup. Punch in the mouth.
TJ Brodie signing: Yup, Morgan gets a new partner with either Brodie or Holl.
Travis Boyd signing: meh,  depth forward and if it doesn't work out, oh well, waivers.
Zach Bogosian signing: Yup. Used the proper way, he'll be an asset. If he can play in the Stanley Cup champions top 6, he can play here.
Andreas Johnsson trade: Yup...needed move and I'm actually curious to see if we get Hyman 2.0 out of Joey.
Jimmy Vesey signing: meh...depth forward and if it doesn't work out, oh well, waivers.

Maholtra Hiring: Big Yup
Paul MacLean Hiring: Big mustache gets a big yes!

 

[herman]

Just out of curiosity, guess who missed the net the least? eyeballs on Matthews' finishing ability from distance too (nearly double his xG)!

2019-2020 5v5 individual goal metrics. Marner is obviously a playmaker and doesn't have the same shot the other 3 do. Tavares had a bit of a down year too.

Individual 5v5 per 60		Matthews		Tavares		Nylander		Marner
Attempts		18.19		16.35		13.51		12.16
Shots on goal		10.37		8.98		9.17		6.59
xG		0.89		0.84		0.9		0.57
Goals		1.56		0.81		1.16		0.48
Individual 5v5 Counts		Matthews		Tavares		Nylander		Marner
Attempts		349		264		221		179
Shots on goal		199		145		150		97
xG		17.04		13.58		14.79		8.38
Goals		30		13		19		7
Individual Sh%		Matthews		Tavares		Nylander		Marner
Shots per attempt		57.02%		54.92%		67.87%		54.19%
Goals per attempt		8.60%		4.92%		8.60%		3.91%
Goals per shot (sh%)		15.08%		8.97%		12.67%		7.22%

 

[Beowulf]

Kasperi Kapanen trade: yay
Denis Malgin re-signing: meh
Jason Spezza re-signing: yay
Wayne Simmonds signing: yay
TJ Brodie signing: YAY
Travis Boyd signing: meh
Zach Bogosian signing: yay
Andreas Johnsson trade: meh
Jimmy Vesey signing: meh

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Draft: D- dunno, but meh approach
Kasperi Kapanen trade: A+ robbery
Denis Malgin re-signing: D- meh to sub meh
Jason Spezza re-signing: B: from an org - between meh and ok, as a fan, yay
Wayne Simmonds signing: A: approved
TJ Brodie signing: B+
Travis Boyd signing: D -
Zach Bogosian signing: B+
Andreas Johnsson trade: C - not going to argue
Jimmy Vesey signing: F - awful, garbage, yuck.

Weighted - B minus ish

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/NickDeSouza_/status/1315764389941850118

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/NickDeSouza_/status/1315764389941850118

Haha, that's good. Love Bean

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/Kaskisuo/status/1315790086869594120

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/Kaskisuo/status/1315790086869594120

Leafs must have told him he's out? Leafs will be signing a goalie pretty soon for the Marlies.

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/Kaskisuo/status/1315790086869594120

Leafs must have told him he's out? Leafs will be signing a goalie pretty soon for the Marlies.

He just isn't good enough unfortunately. In the event that Andersen goes down for any stretch you need a guy that can reasonably win a game or two on b2b with Campbell.