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2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

The whole thing about Cherry's schtick in his later years was that it was along the lines of someone being like "The coin is going to come up heads. Heads! Anyone who thinks it'll come up tails is an idiot! Only someone like me is brave enough to know, for 100% certain, it'll come out heads!" and then he'd remember all the times he was right and ignore all the times he was wrong. So I'm sure if you comb through the archives you'll find him saying things that ended up being right and things that ended up being wrong, like Nylander vs. Ritchie.

Looking back, aside from all of the stuff surrounding his firing(where I still think he'd have kept his job if a) Sportsnet wasn't losing tons of money on the NHL deal and needed to cut costs and/or b) he'd apologized) I still think the issue was that the show got boring near the end. There wasn't any real back and forth with McLean, it was just crazy Grandpa rants for 4 minutes, sometimes about hockey and sometimes about just mush-brained nonsense or claiming that he was the only one in the world who thought Ryan O'Reilly was a good hockey player.
 
Part of the problem with Cherry was that it was often hard to separate the different standards he used to judge Canadian (and, to a lesser extent, American players) compared to how he judged Russian and European players. Basically, when it came to straight-up player evaluation - especially prospect evaluation - it was often hard to tell if he had an actually point or just an axe to grind.

He was usually on the right side of things regarding how equipment impacted player safety and some other areas - Graham James, bullying (somewhat ironically, as his on-air personality was very much a bully, as are many of the people he seemed to respect), etc. - but, when it came to actual on-ice stuff, he was way behind the times.
 
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/analyzing-maple-leafs-turnover-rates-means-team/

The Mitch Marner experience.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
herman said:
The Mitch Marner experience.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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The Leafs style is summed up in two players: Mitch Marner and Morgan Rielly. For the forwards it is hold the puck and try to make something happen as people move into place or attack the puck. On defense, it is get the puck and pass it up/out and join the rush.

It results in OZ turnovers, as Bourne outlines, that stand out in raw totals, but are really pretty good considering just how many puck touches and hold time the Leafs get. If I iso-watch Marner, there are lots of turnovers certainly (he doesn?t carry in his hip pocket very well) and can look like ass the whole game until a broken play gets sorted out on his stick into an open net gimme and he, to quote ActingtheFulemin(?), ends up with 3 pts in a 2-1 game.

Pretty much the Leafs in a nutshell. They have the puck a lot without looking dangerous and then all of a sudden it?s a 3-1 game. The Leafs system tries to stack a lot of positive puck touches with a handful of game breakers who can take nothing plays and turn them into somethings more often than most.
 
herman said:
OldTimeHockey said:
herman said:
The Mitch Marner experience.
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I'm not sure what you mean
Click to expand...

The Leafs style is summed up in two players: Mitch Marner and Morgan Rielly. For the forwards it is hold the puck and try to make something happen as people move into place or attack the puck. On defense, it is get the puck and pass it up/out and join the rush.

It results in OZ turnovers, as Bourne outlines, that stand out in raw totals, but are really pretty good considering just how many puck touches and hold time the Leafs get. If I iso-watch Marner, there are lots of turnovers certainly (he doesn?t carry in his hip pocket very well) and can look like ass the whole game until a broken play gets sorted out on his stick into an open net gimme and he, to quote ActingtheFulemin(?), ends up with 3 pts in a 2-1 game.

Pretty much the Leafs in a nutshell. They have the puck a lot without looking dangerous and then all of a sudden it?s a 3-1 game. The Leafs system tries to stack a lot of positive puck touches with a handful of game breakers who can take nothing plays and turn them into somethings more often than most.
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I understand what the article meant, but I'm not sure why Marner is being singled out. His numbers aren't the worst on the team. Actually, if you go purely by turnover rate, he's sitting right behind Nylander for best forward on the team.
 
I was thinking (it hurts sometimes when I do that), if you're Jack Campbell, this is your one and only time to cash in for your career earnings. 

Do we agree that this deal is going to have to be 5 years minimum?
 
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