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2024 Offseason Thread: Changes

It probably won't happen but for starters I would like to see Shanahan, Keefe, Marner, Rielly, Samsonov gone, I'm on the fence on Woll he's great but injury prone. We'll see what happens my biggest fear is they just replace Keefe and keep the core. 
 
I have to admit, both Domi and Bertuzzi grew on my as the season went on. Obviously no way I'd bring Bertuzzi back at $5.5M, but for lesser I would.  I'd keep Domi out of the two.
 
It's funny, after game 4 I was pissed off with this team, thinking I wouldn't follow as closely anymore etc etc, but I sort of resigned myself to the fact they were out, so the comeback and game 7 loss really didn't mean that much to me. 

I'm interested now to see what changes are afoot.  I fully expect Keefe to be gone, but will there be anything more significant than that?  I guess we'll find out soon!
 
Marner should go play "globe trotter" hockey with Zegras in Cali... his Instagram pics would be fire. Build your brand somewhere else.
 
Bullfrog said:
I have to admit, both Domi and Bertuzzi grew on my as the season went on. Obviously no way I'd bring Bertuzzi back at $5.5M, but for lesser I would.  I'd keep Domi out of the two.
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Domi and Edmundson are the only pending UFAs I'd put serious effort into bringing back. I'd consider Bertuzzi, but he's be lower down my list.

A new voice is definitely needed behind the bench and the Shanaplan needs some revisions, which probably requires new leadership, too.

As for the rest, the most impactful move would obviously be trading Marner. Whether there's a deal with strong enough value to make that happen remains to be seen. Moving pieces from rest of the roster outside of Matthews, Nylander, and, to a lesser extent, Rielly and Tavares, would need to have a pretty prominent return for it feel more than just trades for the sake of making trades.
 
Cap situation:

Auston Matthews
  13,250,000 ​
William Nylander
  11,500,000 ​
John Tavares
  11,000,000 ​
Mitchell Marner
  10,903,000 ​
David Kampf
  2,400,000 ​
Calle Jarnkrok
  2,100,000 ​
Bobby McMann
  1,350,000 ​
Ryan Reaves
  1,350,000 ​
Matthew Knies
  925,000 ​
Pontus Holmberg
  800,000 ​
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Morgan Rielly
  7,500,000 ​
Jake McCabe
  2,000,000 ​
Simon Benoit
  1,350,000 ​
Connor Timmins
  1,100,000 ​
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Joseph Woll
  766,667 ​
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Total
  68,294,667 ​
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Cap
  87,700,000 ​
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Room
  19,405,333 ​

   
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
               
       
       
       
               
               
               
               
   

RFAs:

Nicholas Robertson
Connor Dewar
Max Ellis
Alex Steeves

Timothy Liljegren
Maxime Lajoie

Keith Petruzelli


 
As an advocate for moving on from Marner for what feels like many years now, it makes more sense asset-wise to let him play it out under a new system as mr grieves and Chris mentioned.

Let?s see, for at least half a season, what he looks like under a new system that doesn?t feed into his inclinations for indirect hockey. I think his asset base and skills can work in playoff hockey, but he needs to train his default mindset/approach to match the team need. Remember when he was on the PP unit of Kadri/JvR/Bozak and he would just take the puck downhill off the wing and fire it over to the bumper or down low or off the pads for basically automatic goals? Hilarious and easy and direct! Compare that to how he plays PP now once he was paired with Matthews? one-timer. Frustrating but looked really nice one time in November!

Keefe?s self-immolating remark that the Leafs set themselves up for defeat is largely, in my observation, a function of how Marner prefers to drive offense: perimeter probes until a slot lane opens up. It?s a very mentally draining method against a packed house defense to try to create and very easy to disrupt and demoralize, especially if Marner is paired with Matthews in those scenarios. Looks amazing a couple of times mid-season, but extremely frustrating in real games.

Again, for like the third offseason in a row, I implore the team target building up a roster for speed and sowing chaos for skill to harness. Fasstholes. Please.

 
herman said:
As an advocate for moving on from Marner for what feels like many years now, it makes more sense asset-wise to let him play it out under a new system as mr grieves and Chris mentioned.

Let?s see, for at least half a season, what he looks like under a new system that doesn?t feed into his inclinations for indirect hockey. I think his asset base and skills can work in playoff hockey, but he needs to train his default mindset/approach to match the team need. Remember when he was on the PP unit of Kadri/JvR/Bozak and he would just take the puck downhill off the wing and fire it over to the bumper or down low or off the pads for basically automatic goals? Hilarious and easy and direct! Compare that to how he plays PP now once he was paired with Matthews? one-timer. Frustrating but looked really nice one time in November!

Keefe?s self-immolating remark that the Leafs set themselves up for defeat is largely, in my observation, a function of how Marner prefers to drive offense: perimeter probes until a slot lane opens up. It?s a very mentally draining method against a packed house defense to try to create and very easy to disrupt and demoralize, especially if Marner is paired with Matthews in those scenarios. Looks amazing a couple of times mid-season, but extremely frustrating in real games.

Again, for like the third offseason in a row, I implore the team target building up a roster for speed and sowing chaos for skill to harness. Fasstholes. Please.
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I doubt it will be easier to trade Marner mid-season, unless the team is out of the playoffs somehow. It will be difficult to trade Marner at all, but the  off-season is probably better for all parties involved.
 
Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off said:
herman said:
As an advocate for moving on from Marner for what feels like many years now, it makes more sense asset-wise to let him play it out under a new system as mr grieves and Chris mentioned.

Let?s see, for at least half a season, what he looks like under a new system that doesn?t feed into his inclinations for indirect hockey. I think his asset base and skills can work in playoff hockey, but he needs to train his default mindset/approach to match the team need. Remember when he was on the PP unit of Kadri/JvR/Bozak and he would just take the puck downhill off the wing and fire it over to the bumper or down low or off the pads for basically automatic goals? Hilarious and easy and direct! Compare that to how he plays PP now once he was paired with Matthews? one-timer. Frustrating but looked really nice one time in November!

Keefe?s self-immolating remark that the Leafs set themselves up for defeat is largely, in my observation, a function of how Marner prefers to drive offense: perimeter probes until a slot lane opens up. It?s a very mentally draining method against a packed house defense to try to create and very easy to disrupt and demoralize, especially if Marner is paired with Matthews in those scenarios. Looks amazing a couple of times mid-season, but extremely frustrating in real games.

Again, for like the third offseason in a row, I implore the team target building up a roster for speed and sowing chaos for skill to harness. Fasstholes. Please.
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I doubt it will be easier to trade Marner mid-season, unless the team is out of the playoffs somehow. It will be difficult to trade Marner at all, but the  off-season is probably better for all parties involved.
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Marner to Utah would make sense if he's willing to waive to go there.  They're starting new and would want to make an off-season big name splash.  They have lots of assets to trade too.
 
Zee said:
Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off said:
herman said:
As an advocate for moving on from Marner for what feels like many years now, it makes more sense asset-wise to let him play it out under a new system as mr grieves and Chris mentioned.

Let?s see, for at least half a season, what he looks like under a new system that doesn?t feed into his inclinations for indirect hockey. I think his asset base and skills can work in playoff hockey, but he needs to train his default mindset/approach to match the team need. Remember when he was on the PP unit of Kadri/JvR/Bozak and he would just take the puck downhill off the wing and fire it over to the bumper or down low or off the pads for basically automatic goals? Hilarious and easy and direct! Compare that to how he plays PP now once he was paired with Matthews? one-timer. Frustrating but looked really nice one time in November!

Keefe?s self-immolating remark that the Leafs set themselves up for defeat is largely, in my observation, a function of how Marner prefers to drive offense: perimeter probes until a slot lane opens up. It?s a very mentally draining method against a packed house defense to try to create and very easy to disrupt and demoralize, especially if Marner is paired with Matthews in those scenarios. Looks amazing a couple of times mid-season, but extremely frustrating in real games.

Again, for like the third offseason in a row, I implore the team target building up a roster for speed and sowing chaos for skill to harness. Fasstholes. Please.
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I doubt it will be easier to trade Marner mid-season, unless the team is out of the playoffs somehow. It will be difficult to trade Marner at all, but the  off-season is probably better for all parties involved.
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Marner to Utah would make sense if he's willing to waive to go there.  They're starting new and would want to make an off-season big name splash.  They have lots of assets to trade too.
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It would probably make sense for Utah. Get the town excited with a big trade right out of the gate. I'm not sure any return from them would solve many current Leaf problems.
 
Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off said:
It would probably make sense for Utah. Get the town excited with a big trade right out of the gate. I'm not sure any return from them would solve many current Leaf problems.
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They don't have the pieces to solve the bigger areas that are of concern, but they have a lot of intriguing young players and prospects, and some other pieces who could fill some of the secondary issues the Leafs face.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I think herman is too dismissive of Marner and too enamored of Nylander to be an entirely objective observer of those two but it's hard to deny that Marner had a down season and Nylander seems to be finding his best level.  His other predictions are pretty solid.

All you folks who want to dump Marner be careful what you wish for.  He's an elite talent and I'd love to see what a different coach might be able to spur him to.
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That's much nicer than I would have put it... The points would have been pretty much the same 85 points in 69 games for Marner, 98 points in 82 games for Nylander. +1 for Nylander, +21 for Marner. Nylander has an all world shot and could be the fastest skater in the league if it only went in 1 direction...towards the offensive zone, not so much skating back on defence. I'm pretty sure they both ended up with 3 points in the playoffs although Marner played more games. To me when Nylander was on the third line which shoud have given him incredible matchups he spent more time pointing and only had 3 points in April. 
Marner coming off a high ankle sprain looked very much off. Matthews looked off the whole series. Nylander was invisible until he scored that first goal and then he looked much better. Hopefully a BETTER coach who isn't consistently out coach and who isn't an arrogant prick will get all these players playing at their highest levels at the same time. 
 
I would look to move on from Marner and Rielly.

Love both players. Bought the kid a Marner jersey. Time to make some changes.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
All you folks who want to dump Marner be careful what you wish for.  He's an elite talent and I'd love to see what a different coach might be able to spur him to.
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My biggest argument is that they need to improve on defense and in goal. Where else can that money possibly come from? It's certainly an option to 'ride it out' as Mr. grieves says. Then use the Tavares money instead of Marner's in 2025.
 
Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
All you folks who want to dump Marner be careful what you wish for.  He's an elite talent and I'd love to see what a different coach might be able to spur him to.
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My biggest argument is that they need to improve on defense and in goal. Where else can that money possibly come from? It's certainly an option to 'ride it out' as Mr. grieves says. Then use the Tavares money instead of Marner's in 2025.
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D has not been the problem in the playoffs, it's scoring.

I always had 25/26 as the year to recalibrate with Marner/Tavares contracts up. I wouldn't be surprised if they run it back again with a new coach and then let Marner walk (assuming he's his meek self again come playoffs) and Tavares resigns for substantially less.

The other option is to tell Marner that they don't want him and have no intentions of signing him and he can make a big-boy decision.
 
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