Bernier traded to Anaheim

[Zee]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

I think everyone in the organization was disappointed with Bernier last year. Including Bernier. I hope he rebounds, he clearly has talent, but I think his time here was up and a fresh start with Freddy Andersen will be good.

I'm one of the few who actually thinks Bernier will bounce back and have a solid year. He was good in the second half last year. Maybe a change of scenery will be best for him though.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

I think everyone in the organization was disappointed with Bernier last year. Including Bernier. I hope he rebounds, he clearly has talent, but I think his time here was up and a fresh start with Freddy Andersen will be good.

I'm one of the few who actually thinks Bernier will bounce back and have a solid year. He was good in the second half last year. Maybe a change of scenery will be best for him though.

hard to know if he was recovering in the second half or if there was no longer any pressure.  since it seemed his issues were somewhat in his head.  I guess this year might go some of the way to resolving that.  anyway i have no real issue with him he seemed like a good guy and i hope he does well. 

 

[TBLeafer]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

I think everyone in the organization was disappointed with Bernier last year. Including Bernier. I hope he rebounds, he clearly has talent, but I think his time here was up and a fresh start with Freddy Andersen will be good.

I'm one of the few who actually thinks Bernier will bounce back and have a solid year. He was good in the second half last year. Maybe a change of scenery will be best for him though.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Carlyle pushes out Gibson and goes with his boy Bernier.

 

[mr grieves]

Yeah, I guess from my standpoint Matthews was a no-brainer.  Everything that has gone on around that no-brainer move has been counter intuitive to what they did last year.  This offseason seems to have less of a direction than last year, and almost feels like they are spinning their wheels, which isn't horrible because they are bad, but it also doesn't feel like they are trying to build toward a better future.

No, I agree completely. I'm not saying I give them any particular credit for Matthews(outside of doing their best to get the best lottery odds).

You're right though. It doesn't seem like they've really embraced any particular direction. The rumours of them being in on Russell, the not trading any big pieces, the head scratching draft strategy. Obviously this could all change in the weeks ahead but this seems like a policy of moderation at a time where the only thing that accomplishes is dragging out whatever the end goal is.

Is it possible that their plan is to watch what they've got grow? And these minor moves -- depth UFAs, holding onto "big pieces" -- are more about creating an environment they think ideal for growth? Babcock says Martin will help 'keep the flies off' the kids. Shanahan said Polak, though he was previously on the team as a 5/6, is now in "more of a depth role." The return on Tyler Bozak or Colin Greening won't move the rebuild much either way, and maybe they think they're decent role models (even tempered, coachable) to have around while the kids prove what they can do... 

 

[Kin]

Is it possible that their plan is to watch what they've got grow? And these minor moves -- depth UFAs, holding onto "big pieces" -- are more about creating an environment they think ideal for growth? Babcock says Martin will help 'keep the flies off' the kids. Shanahan said Polak, though he was previously on the team as a 5/6, is now in "more of a depth role." The return on Tyler Bozak or Colin Greening won't move the rebuild much either way, and maybe they think they're decent role models (even tempered, coachable) to have around while the kids prove what they can do...

I'd say it's pretty likely that they think there are good reasons behind what they're doing, sure.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm assuming Babcock told management in no uncertain terms he didn't want Bernier in his net next season. Based on the performance last year, it's a fair viewpoint.

I wonder if any of his former teammates expressed their disappointment with goaltending during their exit interviews?  :-\

I think everyone in the organization was disappointed with Bernier last year. Including Bernier. I hope he rebounds, he clearly has talent, but I think his time here was up and a fresh start with Freddy Andersen will be good.

I'm one of the few who actually thinks Bernier will bounce back and have a solid year. He was good in the second half last year. Maybe a change of scenery will be best for him though.

Youre not alone in thinking Bernier will rebound in a big way with Anaheim next season. I think the Leafs are going to regret trading him for so little.

 

[TBLeafer]

Youre not alone in thinking Bernier will rebound in a big way with Anaheim next season. I think the Leafs are going to regret trading him for so little.

I think they're already over it.  Its some fans that will stew about it and question it.

Its a new beginning, with a new core and new goaltending.  All cancers or potential cancers dealt with, accordingly.

It had to happen and it has, no matter how well Bernier, like Kessel (or Phaneuf) does going forward.

 

[TBLeafer]

Well, at least he said thanks after three years here:

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Jonathan%2bBernier%2bthanks%2bToronto%2bfans%2bwith%2bInstagram%2bpost&id=584445

 

[bustaheims]

I think the Leafs are going to regret trading him for so little.

The contract they signed Andersen to made it pretty clear they had no intention of bringing Bernier back after the season, and he wouldn't have been able to raise his value in a significant way as a backup goalie. Even if he has a good year in Anaheim - though, being as he'll be backing up Gibson, how good a year he'll have is fairly limited - it's not going to mean much to the value the Leafs got for him, since they were never going to be in a position to get much more.

 

[Kin]

Did I miss an announcement as to the return?

 

[Kin]

The contract they signed Andersen to made it pretty clear they had no intention of bringing Bernier back after the season, and he wouldn't have been able to raise his value in a significant way as a backup goalie. Even if he has a good year in Anaheim - though, being as he'll be backing up Gibson, how good a year he'll have is fairly limited - it's not going to mean much to the value the Leafs got for him, since they were never going to be in a position to get much more.

That sort of depends on what value the Leafs actually got though. If it's roughly similar to what they got for Reimer last year, sure. If it's less, then I think that keeping Bernier around in the event Andersen does poorly or even just only starts 35-45 pre-deadline games(which seems fairly likely regardless) then 20-25 good pre-deadline starts by Bernier could make him a slightly more valuable commodity at the deadline.

But then again that's all predicated on the necessity of trading for Andersen in the first place which is at the very least not unanimous regardless.

 

[jdh1]

If they get a 4th for him,that's all they would have gotten for him midseason...I'm great with that.

 

[Zee]

Youre not alone in thinking Bernier will rebound in a big way with Anaheim next season. I think the Leafs are going to regret trading him for so little.

I think they're already over it.  Its some fans that will stew about it and question it.

Its a new beginning, with a new core and new goaltending.  All cancers or potential cancers dealt with, accordingly.

It had to happen and it has, no matter how well Bernier, like Kessel (or Phaneuf) does going forward.

Nobody will care if the Leafs (and Andersen) plays really well.  If the Leafs are horrible and Bernier suddenly looks like a great goaltender, they'll be fuming fans for sure.

 

[TBLeafer]

Youre not alone in thinking Bernier will rebound in a big way with Anaheim next season. I think the Leafs are going to regret trading him for so little.

I think they're already over it.  Its some fans that will stew about it and question it.

Its a new beginning, with a new core and new goaltending.  All cancers or potential cancers dealt with, accordingly.

It had to happen and it has, no matter how well Bernier, like Kessel (or Phaneuf) does going forward.

Nobody will care if the Leafs (and Andersen) plays really well.  If the Leafs are horrible and Bernier suddenly looks like a great goaltender, they'll be fuming fans for sure.

Are there any fans fuming about Kessel?

It will be the same with Bernier.  Anaheim is a more developed, vet team.  Bernier SHOULD look better with them.  But then again, idiot Carlyle...

 

[bustaheims]

That sort of depends on what value the Leafs actually got though. If it's roughly similar to what they got for Reimer last year, sure. If it's less, then I think that keeping Bernier around in the event Andersen does poorly or even just only starts 35-45 pre-deadline games(which seems fairly likely regardless) then 20-25 good pre-deadline starts by Bernier could make him a slightly more valuable commodity at the deadline.

Sure, but, it's not exactly the same trade now is it would be then. In addition to whatever asset the Leafs got for Bernier, they also received the full $4.15M in cap space (minus whatever a backup goalie ends up costing), whereas, at the deadline, they'd only get the pro-rated value of that. Moving that cap value could be enough for them to avoid carry-over issues next season (depending on the Cowen situation). Trading him now potentially saves them ~$2M against the cap in 17/18. To me, that's more than enough to make up the difference between the pick they got now and what they might have been able to get at the deadline.

 

[Kin]

Sure, but, it's not exactly the same trade now is it would be then. In addition to whatever asset the Leafs got for Bernier, they also received the full $4.15M in cap space (minus whatever a backup goalie ends up costing), whereas, at the deadline, they'd only get the pro-rated value of that. Moving that cap value could be enough for them to avoid carry-over issues next season (depending on the Cowen situation). Trading him now potentially saves them ~$2M against the cap in 17/18. To me, that's more than enough to make up the difference between the pick they got now and what they might have been able to get at the deadline.

I think that's fair but if Andersen plays poorly and Bernier plays well then, like I said, you can't just divorce the returns from the decision to make the trades in the first place.

 

[Kin]

 
Are there any fans fuming about Kessel?

Fuming might be a strong word, I'd much rather have Seguin/Hamilton though.

 

[herman]

Just like with the Andersen trade where we still don't know which second rounder is heading to the Ducks, the second half of this transaction remains a secret as to which pick from Anaheim might be returning.

Anaheim does not currently possess a 6th or 7th round pick in 2017.

 

[bustaheims]

Just like with the Andersen trade where we still don't know which second rounder is heading to the Ducks, the second half of this transaction remains a secret as to which pick from Anaheim might be returning.

It's all but officially confirmed it's the Sharks' pick/latest of the Leafs' 2nd round picks heading to Anaheim in that deal.

 

[herman]

Just like with the Andersen trade where we still don't know which second rounder is heading to the Ducks, the second half of this transaction remains a secret as to which pick from Anaheim might be returning.

It's all but officially confirmed it's the Sharks' pick/latest of the Leafs' 2nd round picks heading to Anaheim in that deal.

Obvious choice. Thanks for the heads up!