Captain Phaneuf

[Jay-Mar]

People were anticipating all the hype he had when he first came into the league with his crushing hits and hard shot. He's always been the same player defensively.

 

[nutman]

and i think you see the best of Phanuef when he is paired with a defence partner who compliments his style.

It looks like Carlyle is seeing that, and I agree with you 100%.

 

[Bullfrog]

and i think you see the best of Phanuef when he is paired with a defence partner who compliments his style.

I always do my best work with someone who is complimentary to me. 

 

[sucka]

and i think you see the best of Phanuef when he is paired with a defence partner who compliments his style.

I dunno, i haven't seen his partner gush about his clothes and hairdo yet.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis.  For a supposedly physical d-man, he plays too soft for long stretches, and for supposedly a big tough d-man, he often shoots the puck like a little girl.  He is often out of position, covering the wrong player, just stands there at times watching as opposing players take shot after shot in front of the net.  As another poster indicated, he takes bad penalties because he is slow.  He has become the weakest link on the team.   

At the time he became captain, I really didn't see any other options for captain, and I do believe he is a really good voice in the dressing room and to bring player issues to the coaches/management.  Having said that, the captain is also supposed to be the leader on the ice, who should be the role model for the other players on the team.  I do not see Phaneuf as having that capability, and being picked by Burke to be the captain should make it easier for Nonis to at some point remove Phaneuf from his role as captain. 

 

[nutman]

He did get smoked on two races for the iceing puck last night, that is not good.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis.  For a supposedly physical d-man, he plays too soft for long stretches, and for supposedly a big tough d-man, he often shoots the puck like a little girl.  He is often out of position, covering the wrong player, just stands there at times watching as opposing players take shot after shot in front of the net.  As another poster indicated, he takes bad penalties because he is slow.  He has become the weakest link on the team.   

At the time he became captain, I really didn't see any other options for captain, and I do believe he is a really good voice in the dressing room and to bring player issues to the coaches/management.  Having said that, the captain is also supposed to be the leader on the ice, who should be the role model for the other players on the team.  I do not see Phaneuf as having that capability, and being picked by Burke to be the captain should make it easier for Nonis to at some point remove Phaneuf from his role as captain.

Lupul might take issue with you saying Phaneuf shoots the puck like a girl. 

BTW, how do you know he's a really good voice in the room?

 

[drummond]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis.  For a supposedly physical d-man, he plays too soft for long stretches, and for supposedly a big tough d-man, he often shoots the puck like a little girl.  He is often out of position, covering the wrong player, just stands there at times watching as opposing players take shot after shot in front of the net.  As another poster indicated, he takes bad penalties because he is slow.  He has become the weakest link on the team.   

At the time he became captain, I really didn't see any other options for captain, and I do believe he is a really good voice in the dressing room and to bring player issues to the coaches/management.  Having said that, the captain is also supposed to be the leader on the ice, who should be the role model for the other players on the team.  I do not see Phaneuf as having that capability, and being picked by Burke to be the captain should make it easier for Nonis to at some point remove Phaneuf from his role as captain.

I am not advocating Phaneuf captaincy, but there is quite limited pool of players who are more suitable. The only viable alternative IMHO is Lupul.

 

[sneakyray]

I've got an idea...put phaneuf in front of the net on the pp.

that is all

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis. 

You could probably do a similar thing picking out errors of almost every D man in the league.  These are just anecdotes.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Phaneuf contributed to 3 goals going in for Tampa on Tuesday. He looked like his old self. Hopefully he returns to form.

 

[Optimus Reimer]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis. 

You could probably do a similar thing picking out errors of almost every D man in the league.  These are just anecdotes.

Those are errors that d-men should not be making on a regular basis, and are not anecdotes.  Of course players will make mistakes from time to time, but if you watch tonights game against the Sabres, I guarantee DP will make more than one of the following goof ups that will result in either a scoring chance or a goal:  not clearing the puck out of their defensive zone, playing defence behind the net for no apparant reason, taking a bad penalty due to his slowfootedness, covering the wrong player, letting an opposing forward get past him without being touched etc. 

The problem may be that being the captain, he shouldn't be ragged on, but he needs to smarten up because right now he is the weakest link on the team, maybe he just has to simplify his game a bit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis. 

You could probably do a similar thing picking out errors of almost every D man in the league.  These are just anecdotes.

Those are errors that d-men should not be making on a regular basis, and are not anecdotes.

You brought up a PRE-SEASON game, I mean, come on.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

In his first full season with the Leafs in a pre-season game against Ottawa, he let the Sens winger go past him with out any resistance, resulting in a goal.  Against the Canes the other night, he made a really soft pass up the middle resulting in a goal.  Last night against the Bolts, he lost the puck behind the net, then stood there, along with 3 other Leafs behing the goal line, while the Bolts scored.  If he shot the puck out of his end like he was supposed to, that goal never happens and the game result would have been different. 

Those are just three examples of the type of errors he makes on a regular basis. 

You could probably do a similar thing picking out errors of almost every D man in the league.  These are just anecdotes.

Those are errors that d-men should not be making on a regular basis, and are not anecdotes.

You brought up a PRE-SEASON game, I mean, come on.

From 2010, no less.

 

[mjmgrand]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

Phaneuf has been excellent offensively over the last 6 games. His defence is p*ss poor.

 

[Bonsixx]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

Phaneuf has been excellent offensively over the last 6 games. His defence is p*ss poor.

I disagree whole-heartedly.

 

[nutman]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

Phaneuf has been excellent offensively over the last 6 games. His defence is p*ss poor.

I disagree whole-heartedly.

If Phaneuf was faster he would be a great player, but since he is very slow footed we have to take the good with the bad, and as long as we keep a good stay at home partner with him, all should balance out.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

Phaneuf has been excellent offensively over the last 6 games. His defence is p*ss poor.

I disagree whole-heartedly.

We're all allowed to have our own opinions.

Being a tender, Phaneuf is the kind of guy I hated playing behind. It's great when he's scoring and the puck is in the other end....but give him the puck in his own end and he makes at least 2 or 3 poor decisions a game. A lot of them end up in the net. He reminds me a lot of Bryan McCabe in that regard.

 

[nutman]

Phaneuf has been excellent. I really fail to understand the criticism.

Phaneuf has been excellent offensively over the last 6 games. His defence is p*ss poor.

I disagree whole-heartedly.

We're all allowed to have our own opinions.

Being a tender, Phaneuf is the kind of guy I hated playing behind. It's great when he's scoring and the puck is in the other end....but give him the puck in his own end and he makes at least 2 or 3 poor decisions a game. A lot of them end up in the net. He reminds me a lot of Bryan McCabe in that regard.

And that wasnt a bad player, I'll take two more just like him any day.