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Central Scoutings final draft rankings....

Supernova

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=761663

I really hope we don't draft a D man with the last name of "Pilon" with the Nashville pick.  ;D
 
Frank E said:
Crouse outranks Marner...

I expect this stuff from Button, but CSS? Come on guys.

They also have Kylington ranked the 6th best Euro, 3rd best Euro defenceman. He's going to be a very interesting person to watch at the draft.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Crouse outranks Marner...

I expect this stuff from Button, but CSS? Come on guys.

They also have Kylington ranked the 6th best Euro, 3rd best Euro defenceman. He's going to be a very interesting person to watch at the draft.

Crouse is a Doug Gilmour crafted prodigy.
 
Frank E said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Crouse outranks Marner...

I expect this stuff from Button, but CSS? Come on guys.

They also have Kylington ranked the 6th best Euro, 3rd best Euro defenceman. He's going to be a very interesting person to watch at the draft.

Crouse is a Doug Gilmour crafted prodigy.

I was going to say, I can't shake the thought that the Leafs will end up drafting Crouse. He may be better than most people are predicting??

However this doesn't scream top 5 pick...

projection: Lawson definitely will make the NHL in a top 9 grinder, checker, energy-guy role. Top 6 is also well within his grasp if he can improve the offensive side of his game just a tad ? more shooting, more work on the passing option and just more attention to the offensive side of the game in general.
 
He may be.  Any player may be.  It's simply that the odds are, based on CHL scoring history translating to NHL production, that he'll struggle to produce at the pro level (or at least the top pro level).  That's not to say he can't or even that he would be a bad pick - he's just likely not a good gamble with such a high pick.  If he was ranked much lower by everyone there'd be hardly a whisper I bet.
 
Some of these kids are growing like weeds.  Wonder if some of the bigger players might come into their own a little later then a smaller player who hasn't had to make that adjustment of growing a few inches recently.  Also, some bigger players really don't look as fast, as they don't have to cycle their legs as much to get to speed.  Might be a gem for the Leafs draft?
 
princedpw said:
Who is this Crouse guy?  What are his offensive stats?

The guy who put up 3 points in 4 games while being sweptin the first round of the playoffs and was -7 over the series (worst on his team).  They faced a good team out of North Bay but at the Junior level individual elite level talent wins the day for the most part.

Drafting Crouse in the top 5-7 guys is a great recipe to be disappointed.  Drafting him later in the 1st round likely winds up as a situation where you are very pleased with what you get. 

He's probably one of the safer picks in terms of a guy who is going to play to a certain level of impact at the NHL level but the problem is that he's far more likely to become a Wayne Primeau than he is a Keith.
 
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).
 
mr grieves said:
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).

Provorov, Werenski, Barzal, Zacha, to start.
 
Supernova said:
mr grieves said:
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).

Provorov, Werenski, Barzal, Zacha, to start.

The other six wouldn't be bad either, how about all of them?
 
Tigger said:
Supernova said:
mr grieves said:
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).

Provorov, Werenski, Barzal, Zacha, to start.

The other six wouldn't be bad either, how about all of them?

I guess my question is: if we're all saying (when we're being generous) that Kessel and Phaneuf are good supporting pieces, but not the essential core pieces, why would any team in the top 10 go for them? Don't those teams need players that can plausibly be part of a core for the next 5-8 years or whatever? Aren't they in a similar spot in their trajectory (need to stockpile talent)? More top ten picks just doesn't seem very likely.

Maybe Florida or Philly think they're close. Others too?
 
mr grieves said:
Tigger said:
Supernova said:
mr grieves said:
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).

Provorov, Werenski, Barzal, Zacha, to start.

The other six wouldn't be bad either, how about all of them?

I guess my question is: if we're all saying (when we're being generous) that Kessel and Phaneuf are good supporting pieces, but not the essential core pieces, why would any team in the top 10 go for them? Don't those teams need players that can plausibly be part of a core for the next 5-8 years or whatever? Aren't they in a similar spot in their trajectory (need to stockpile talent)? More top ten picks just doesn't seem very likely.

Maybe Florida or Philly think they're close. Others too?

There might be a way to score a mid first round pick and try to flip it up. You're right, it's not very likely on face, Gardiner in the mix could maybe do it, in other news the Leafs could still use all of them.
 
Tigger said:
mr grieves said:
Tigger said:
Supernova said:
mr grieves said:
KW Sluggo said:
slapshot said:
Leafs need to nab another top 10 pick as part of their overhaul.

Very, very much so.

Why? Who in particular do the Leafs need in the 5-10 range?

I'm all for more high first round picks, but I don't know who in that range would trade their first for Kessel or Phaneuf or Bozak or Lupul or Gardiner any combination of those (leaving aside whether the Leafs want to part ways with all of them).

Provorov, Werenski, Barzal, Zacha, to start.

The other six wouldn't be bad either, how about all of them?

I guess my question is: if we're all saying (when we're being generous) that Kessel and Phaneuf are good supporting pieces, but not the essential core pieces, why would any team in the top 10 go for them? Don't those teams need players that can plausibly be part of a core for the next 5-8 years or whatever? Aren't they in a similar spot in their trajectory (need to stockpile talent)? More top ten picks just doesn't seem very likely.

Maybe Florida or Philly think they're close. Others too?

There might be a way to score a mid first round pick and try to flip it up. You're right, it's not very likely on face, Gardiner in the mix could maybe do it, in other news the Leafs could still use all of them.

The cost of trading up would be exorbitant.  I would only trade up if it secures us McDavid.
 
Although not in the draft, the Leafs should seriously consider getting Evan Rodrigues from Boston U.  Had more points than linemate Eischel since the beginning of 15.  Watched him play against Minnisota/Duluth a week or so ago and he was a real spark plug/terrier with great speed, hands, he has the scoring touch. 
And he is from T.O. 
 
Highlander said:
Although not in the draft, the Leafs should seriously consider getting Evan Rodrigues from Boston U.  Had more points than linemate Eischel since the beginning of 15.  Watched him play against Minnisota/Duluth a week or so ago and he was a real spark plug/terrier with great speed, hands, he has the scoring touch. 
And he is from T.O.

Before Eichel was on the team he had 60 points in 105 games. As a 20 year old junior he had 14 points in 31 games. It doesn't take a genius to see why he's scored a lot of points this year.
 

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