Coach Mike Babcock

[Kin]

I applaud Tim Murray for sticking to his guns and no giving total personnel permission and control to Babcock. Looks like that was the deal breaker in Buffalo.

I think what's so funny about this narrative being pushed is that it really does reflect on the "Babcock doesn't want to be GM!" stuff that a lot of people here were saying. I think it comes from a misconception of what being a GM is. A lot of people think it's just wining and dining free agents or making exciting decisions at draft day or dreaming up trades and then calling it. But I suspect stuff like that takes up a tiny amount of time of a GM's time. I suspect way more of it has to do with the minutiae of contract negotiations and being aware of what's going on with the affiliates and, in most markets, co-ordinating promotions and sales. It's not playing NHL '15 on Franchise mode.

So when Mike Babcock would say "I don't want to be a GM," I think that's the sort of stuff he was talking about. He wants to concern himself with the team he's coaching. He doesn't want to have to know about what's going on in Grand Rapids all the time or whether or not a player showed up to sign sticks for a charity auction.

But the idea that he wouldn't want the power to say something like "Hey, see that guy on the second line dragging ass? Let's trade him." I mean, I don't buy that any coach wouldn't want that.

And all that does is speak to what we all knew about the Toronto GM situation. Whoever they hire, heck if they'd kept Nonis there, they're not going to be running the team that way Tim Murray is running the Sabres. They're going to be another nuts and bolts guy.

So, and forgive me for feeling a little vindicated today, the Leafs did offer Babcock a very unique opportunity. He could come here, have a lot of control over player decisions and still not be the GM.

 

[Joe S.]

So I'm assuming it's going to be days of:

Babcock coaching record isn't as good as it seems at second glance.

Adding to the disfunction of a dysfunctional leafs structure

Babcock never wanted to leave Detroit but couldn't say no to this much money.

Babcock: welcome to your first failure as a coach.

Babcock signs with the team that will be the first to fire him.

Leafs need to grossly overpay to land anyone of significance.

And so on and so on.

 

[L K]

I applaud Tim Murray for sticking to his guns and no giving total personnel permission and control to Babcock. Looks like that was the deal breaker in Buffalo.

I think what's so funny about this narrative being pushed is that it really does reflect on the "Babcock doesn't want to be GM!" stuff that a lot of people here were saying. I think it comes from a misconception of what being a GM is. A lot of people think it's just wining and dining free agents or making exciting decisions at draft day or dreaming up trades and then calling it. But I suspect stuff like that takes up a tiny amount of time of a GM's time. I suspect way more of it has to do with the minutiae of contract negotiations and being aware of what's going on with the affiliates and, in most markets, co-ordinating promotions and sales. It's not playing NHL '15 on Franchise mode.

So when Mike Babcock would say "I don't want to be a GM," I think that's the sort of stuff he was talking about. He wants to concern himself with the team he's coaching. He doesn't want to have to know about what's going on in Grand Rapids all the time or whether or not a player showed up to sign sticks for a charity auction.

But the idea that he wouldn't want the power to say something like "Hey, see that guy on the second line dragging ass? Let's trade him." I mean, I don't buy that any coach wouldn't want that.

And all that does is speak to what we all knew about the Toronto GM situation. Whoever they hire, heck if they'd kept Nonis there, they're not going to be running the team that way Tim Murray is running the Sabres. They're going to be another nuts and bolts guy.

So, and forgive me for feeling a little vindicated today, the Leafs did offer Babcock a very unique opportunity. He could come here, have a lot of control over player decisions and still not be the GM.

He doesn't want Ken Holland telling him Gustav Nyquist can't break camp in 2013-2014 because Holland had a bunch of dead weight guys that he wasn't willing to demote to save some cap dollars.  I think that's pretty much what he had become tired of dealing with.  As much as the Detroit model of only eating brown bananas has worked well for them, eventually you have guys that are doing everything they can to make your roster and yet management doesn't have your back when it comes to the final roster.

 

[Fanatic]

Does anyone know where I can watch HBO's 24/7 (with Babcock)? I enjoyed watching Babcock in that series and would really like to watch it again.

 

[Captain Canuck]

So I'm assuming it's going to be days of:

Babcock coaching record isn't as good as it seems at second glance.

Adding to the disfunction of a dysfunctional leafs structure

Babcock never wanted to leave Detroit but couldn't say no to this much money.

Babcock: welcome to your first failure as a coach.

Babcock signs with the team that will be the first to fire him.

Leafs need to grossly overpay to land anyone of significance.

And so on and so on.

I look forward to all the conspiracy conversations of how we are keeping Phaneuf, because after all it was ultimately Babcock who was showing interest in him when the Detroit deal fell through at the deadline and he will turn him into a stud #1 d-man in Toronto!

 

[Kin]

He doesn't want Ken Holland telling him Gustav Nyquist can't break camp in 2013-2014 because Holland had a bunch of dead weight guys that he wasn't willing to demote to save some cap dollars.  I think that's pretty much what he had become tired of dealing with.  As much as the Detroit model of only eating brown bananas has worked well for them, eventually you have guys that are doing everything they can to make your roster and yet management doesn't have your back when it comes to the final roster.

Well, exactly. They could go to him and say "Hey, you know those things you clashed with Ken Holland over? You can make those decisions here. ANd you know those parts of Ken Holland's job that didn't interest you in the slightest? We have other guys who can do those things."

 

[Rebel_1812]

Bob McKenzie was wrong !

 

[Redleaf]

Bob McKenzie was wrong !

That really surprised me too. I believed Babcock would pick the Leafs all the way up until I heard McKenzie's report yesterday that he wouldn't. The guys always been a rock when it comes to breaking stories. Up until now that is.  ???

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

#Stamcock2016

 

[herman]

As much as the Detroit model of only eating brown bananas has worked well for them, eventually you have guys that are doing everything they can to make your roster and yet management doesn't have your back when it comes to the final roster.

I tip my hat to you, good sir. Also the rest of that post was en pointe.

 

[jdh1]

Getting Babcock is almost as good as getting McDavid.

 

[Kin]

And this thread has officially gone too far.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Does anyone know where I can watch HBO's 24/7 (with Babcock)? I enjoyed watching Babcock in that series and would really like to watch it again.

I believe You Tube has it

 

[LuncheonMeat]

As much as the Detroit model of only eating brown bananas has worked well for them, eventually you have guys that are doing everything they can to make your roster and yet management doesn't have your back when it comes to the final roster.

I tip my hat to you, good sir. Also the rest of that post was en pointe.

I quite enjoyed that myself. 

 

[jdh1]

And this thread has officially gone too far.

Ha Ha Ha...I love it.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

And this thread has officially gone too far.

Ha Ha Ha...I love caused it.

Fixed! 

 

[Ronco]

My take on this is simply there's a lot of money here.
Why not.

The tools to do the job (Players) are not yet assembled if they ever do get to that part.
The coach can't score, and defend the players are responsible for that part.
Tucker's salary comes off the books this year.
1 Million.
The Leafs threw to much money around you can see that in the team and what their paying their top players.

2 years i give em.
Carlyle filled this, and then Wilson before him and where are they now?

 

[Fanatic]

Does anyone know where I can watch HBO's 24/7 (with Babcock)? I enjoyed watching Babcock in that series and would really like to watch it again.

I believe You Tube has it

I would have thought so too, but I cannot find it. Either it is not out there or my Google skills are not what I thought they were.

 

[L K]

Does anyone know where I can watch HBO's 24/7 (with Babcock)? I enjoyed watching Babcock in that series and would really like to watch it again.

I believe You Tube has it

I would have thought so too, but I cannot find it. Either it is not out there or my Google skills are not what I thought they were.

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/hbo-24-7/

 

[Zee]

Bob McKenzie was wrong !

That really surprised me too. I believed Babcock would pick the Leafs all the way up until I heard McKenzie's report yesterday that he wouldn't. The guys always been a rock when it comes to breaking stories. Up until now that is.  ???

Everyone was wrong, but again everyone thought the Sabres had him -- including the Sabres.  Reports are that they're not happy with what happened and thought they had a deal with him.