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Contracts for the Big-3

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sickbeast said:
Perhaps go and read my post again.  It's quite clear.
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Ok. I've now read it multiple times and I still don't understand. So, again, how does the distance between them indicate which side has moved?
 
Nik the Trik said:
sickbeast said:
Perhaps go and read my post again.  It's quite clear.
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Ok. I've now read it multiple times and I still don't understand. So, again, how does the distance between them indicate which side has moved?
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I will tell you.  But I'm going to cue the BS and the arguing because I know it's coming.

Nylander's rumored ask since the beginning has been $8 million.  For the longest time it has been rumored that Dubas would be willing to sign him long term for $6.5 million.  Therefore with a $500,000 gap with the rumored $6.9-7 million 6 year contract, that shows that Nylander has dropped his ask by around $1 million whereas Dubas hasn't budged one inch.

I will just say before you reply to this that you should open your eyes to the fact that there are other possibilities out there, perhaps that you have not considered.  That does not make them "wrong", simply different and worthy of consideration IMO.  I'm not claiming to be right here; this is all based on rumors and leaks.  But really IMO you have no business telling me that I'm wrong when I have based this comment on research and on what I have learned throughout this contract negotiation process.

Have a different idea of your own?  Good for you, I would love to hear it.  But please don't talk down to me when IMO this is a well thought out post and so was my initial comment which I did not think would require explanation.
 
Again, I was just asking questions because I had no idea what you were saying. Now that I have some idea I'm probably not going to respond because I have the wild notion that it wouldn't be an especially fruitful dialogue but thanks for the clarification all the same.
 
sickbeast said:
Nik the Trik said:
sickbeast said:
Perhaps go and read my post again.  It's quite clear.
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Ok. I've now read it multiple times and I still don't understand. So, again, how does the distance between them indicate which side has moved?
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I will tell you.  But I'm going to cue the BS and the arguing because I know it's coming.

Nylander's rumored ask since the beginning has been $8 million.  For the longest time it has been rumored that Dubas would be willing to sign him long term for $6.5 million.  Therefore with a $500,000 gap with the rumored $6.9-7 million 6 year contract, that shows that Nylander has dropped his ask by around $1 million whereas Dubas hasn't budged one inch.

I will just say before you reply to this that you should open your eyes to the fact that there are other possibilities out there, perhaps that you have not considered.  That does not make them "wrong", simply different and worthy of consideration IMO.  I'm not claiming to be right here; this is all based on rumors and leaks.  But really IMO you have no business telling me that I'm wrong when I have based this comment on research and on what I have learned throughout this contract negotiation process.

Have a different idea of your own?  Good for you, I would love to hear it.  But please don't talk down to me when IMO this is a well thought out post and so was my initial comment which I did not think would require explanation.
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So on the basis of conjecture and unproven numbers we have proof of the new numbers?  I think you are confusing fact and fiction.  Neither side has acknowledged their negotiating point.
 
sickbeast said:
Nylander's rumored ask since the beginning has been $8 million.  For the longest time it has been rumored that Dubas would be willing to sign him long term for $6.5 million.  Therefore with a $500,000 gap with the rumored $6.9-7 million 6 year contract, that shows that Nylander has dropped his ask by around $1 million whereas Dubas hasn't budged one inch.
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And how do we know the situation isn?t that the Leafs are offering $7m and Nylander is asking for $7.5m? Other than conjecture, we don?t.
 
L K said:
sickbeast said:
Nik the Trik said:
sickbeast said:
Perhaps go and read my post again.  It's quite clear.
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Ok. I've now read it multiple times and I still don't understand. So, again, how does the distance between them indicate which side has moved?
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I will tell you.  But I'm going to cue the BS and the arguing because I know it's coming.

Nylander's rumored ask since the beginning has been $8 million.  For the longest time it has been rumored that Dubas would be willing to sign him long term for $6.5 million.  Therefore with a $500,000 gap with the rumored $6.9-7 million 6 year contract, that shows that Nylander has dropped his ask by around $1 million whereas Dubas hasn't budged one inch.

I will just say before you reply to this that you should open your eyes to the fact that there are other possibilities out there, perhaps that you have not considered.  That does not make them "wrong", simply different and worthy of consideration IMO.  I'm not claiming to be right here; this is all based on rumors and leaks.  But really IMO you have no business telling me that I'm wrong when I have based this comment on research and on what I have learned throughout this contract negotiation process.

Have a different idea of your own?  Good for you, I would love to hear it.  But please don't talk down to me when IMO this is a well thought out post and so was my initial comment which I did not think would require explanation.
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So on the basis of conjecture and unproven numbers we have proof of the new numbers?  I think you are confusing fact and fiction.  Neither side has acknowledged their negotiating point.
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Did you even read my post?
I'm not claiming to be right here; this is all based on rumors and leaks.
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Like I said, this is just an idea, nothing more.  Got one of your own?  Great.  But you have no business telling me I'm wrong when you have no way of knowing that.  And quite frankly if that's really how you feel, show me something better, please.  I'm all ears.  I don't think you can.
 
bustaheims said:
sickbeast said:
Nylander's rumored ask since the beginning has been $8 million.  For the longest time it has been rumored that Dubas would be willing to sign him long term for $6.5 million.  Therefore with a $500,000 gap with the rumored $6.9-7 million 6 year contract, that shows that Nylander has dropped his ask by around $1 million whereas Dubas hasn't budged one inch.
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And how do we know the situation isn?t that the Leafs are offering $7m and Nylander is asking for $7.5m? Other than conjecture, we don?t.
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True, that's a fair point.  Thanks.  I hadn't thought of it from that angle.  That could be very well possible.
 
L K said:
So on the basis of conjecture and unproven numbers we have proof of the new numbers?
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Yeah,I think what ended up throwing me was the idea that both the 6.9 million rumour and the 500k apart rumour were true because the way I understood it was that the 500k apart rumour was directly refuting the 6.9 rumour.

Right? Savard says they've effectively agreed on AAV at 6.9 at which point someone(McKenzie?) says that, no, they're still 500k apart. To my mind though both suggestions were pretty solidly saying that the reason that optimism was up was that both sides had moved towards the middle.
 
Nik the Trik said:
L K said:
So on the basis of conjecture and unproven numbers we have proof of the new numbers?
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Yeah,I think what ended up throwing me was the idea that both the 6.9 million rumour and the 500k apart rumour were true because the way I understood it was that the 500k apart rumour was directly refuting the 6.9 rumour.

Right? Savard says they've effectively agreed on AAV at 6.9 at which point someone(McKenzie?) says that, no, they're still 500k apart. To my mind though both suggestions were pretty solidly saying that the reason that optimism was up was that both sides had moved towards the middle.
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And I think my issue is that any number out there is only a guess because despite the organization being less tightly sealed than under Lou, numbers really aren?t being confirmed or refuted by either part in this.  It could be that the Leafs are hardline at 6.4 and Nylander has come down to 6.9.  It could be that Nylander is sitting at 7.4 and Dubas came up to 6.9 or it could be that neither party has actually been negotiating from the low 6 vs 8+ position at all.

The only numbers we can really base things on will be the eventual deal that gets signed because I don?t trust any numbers being leaked out in this negotiation because nothing has been on the nose.  Even the Savard stuff came with the ?the deal is almost done? caveat and here we are sitting days later with no deal.
 
L K said:
The only numbers we can really base things on will be the eventual deal that gets signed because I don?t trust any numbers being leaked out in this negotiation because nothing has been on the nose.  Even the Savard stuff came with the ?the deal is almost done? caveat and here we are sitting days later with no deal.
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No, I agree with all of that. I mean unless I'm wrong I'm pretty sure Kypreos was saying not too long ago that the Leafs emphatically hadn't offered Nylander a contract that was around what Pastrnak had received. And, like you say with the 6-8 rumours we were hearing recently I don't even know where the "6.5" starting point is from.
 
Highlander said:
I said at the beginning that it will be done for 7,250,000 on the long term probably 6,250 on the shorter two year term.
Book it ;)
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I was thinking $7 for a long term deal, but hoping for slightly less.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
AvroArrow said:
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Looks like something is happening
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Gonna need more than that...
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Don't know for sure what Herman is referring to, but there was a Reddit "report" that said Nylander was spotted at Pearson.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/a0e3ju/guess_who_i_just_seen_at_toronto_pearson_int/

You were right to put the word report in quotes.  :)
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Gonna need more than that, too. Obviously.
 
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