Coronavirus

[L K]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/01/19/ontario-covid-number-january-19/

I?m finding these numbers disturbing. The fully vaccinated make up the majority of the people in the hospitals and ICUs. I don?t know what this means but this certainly is going to give ammo to the anti vaccination crowd.

It really shouldn't be disturbing but yes, it absolutely will give the anti-vaccination crowd ammunition because they will misinterpret the data (both ignorantly and intentionally)

It's amusing because the approval of Paxlovid has caused an awful lot of non-vaccinated people with covid to start calling looking for the drug (good luck as the supply is limited).  Yet again proving that their opposition to the vaccine had nothing to do with unproven drugs and everything to do with just being assholes.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/01/19/ontario-covid-number-january-19/

I?m finding these numbers disturbing. The fully vaccinated make up the majority of the people in the hospitals and ICUs. I don?t know what this means but this certainly is going to give ammo to the anti vaccination crowd.

It really shouldn't be disturbing but yes, it absolutely will give the anti-vaccination crowd ammunition because they will misinterpret the data (both ignorantly and intentionally)

It's amusing because the approval of Paxlovid has caused an awful lot of non-vaccinated people with covid to start calling looking for the drug (good luck as the supply is limited).  Yet again proving that their opposition to the vaccine had nothing to do with unproven drugs and everything to do with just being assholes.

You are so right.

 

[herman]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/01/19/ontario-covid-number-january-19/

I?m finding these numbers disturbing. The fully vaccinated make up the majority of the people in the hospitals and ICUs. I don?t know what this means but this certainly is going to give ammo to the anti vaccination crowd.

1) Unvaccinated people make up 40% of the people in hospitals and ICUs despite the fact that unvaccinated adults in Ontario are only like about 10% of the population. You're still significantly more likely to wind up in the ICU if you're unvaccinated.

2) Fully vaccinated people are still headed to the ICU now because what they're "fully vaccinated" against is version of COVID-19 from 1-2 years ago. There's enough data to suggest that two doses of the vaccine were incredibly effective against what COVID used to be, but they aren't as effective against what COVID has mutated/evolved into. The definition of what being fully vaccinated means is pretty outdated at this point. The antivax crowd is absolutely going to mock the idea of us needing more boosters and whatnot but that's just the reality we're in.

Most of the people involved in a car accident are seatbelt wearers, right? In the US 2019, "of the 22,215 passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2019, 47% were not wearing seat belts."

 

[Peter D.]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/01/19/ontario-covid-number-january-19/

I?m finding these numbers disturbing. The fully vaccinated make up the majority of the people in the hospitals and ICUs. I don?t know what this means but this certainly is going to give ammo to the anti vaccination crowd.

Drives me bonkers when the unvaccinated crowd uses this as a, "See...the vaccines don't work!" retort.  I know because I know many people who are unvaccinated and say this exact thing.

Of course, they say it not having had COVID to know what it would do to them while unvaccinated.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1484361931146203137

 

[bustaheims]

Not that it will change their minds, but you can always show them the per capita data that shows how big the discrepancies really are:
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/

 

[Highlander]

Two words;  Meat (and) Loaf

 

[Deebo]

These assholes seem happy that there is variant that the vaccine is less effective against.

 

[Joe S.]

So I?m hearing (not through anything official) that these truckers have a plan B if the government doesn?t relent on the vaccination requirements and are going to cutoff the supply chain across the country, with the support of US truckers. Putting aside that logistically I?m not sure how they pull this off, isn?t this getting dangerously close to terrorism?

 

[bustaheims]

So I?m hearing (not through anything official) that these truckers have a plan B if the government doesn?t relent on the vaccination requirements and are going to cutoff the supply chain across the country, with the support of US truckers. Putting aside that logistically I?m not sure how they pull this off, isn?t this getting dangerously close to terrorism?

There aren't anywhere near enough of a proportion of truckers that are part of this convoy to make that happen without getting arrested. ~90% of truckers are fully vaccinated and are happy to simply continue to do their jobs. As it has been throughout this pandemic, the "resisters" are just a vocal minority of assholes. The second they have to get out of their trucks and face any kind of authority figure, they'll back off.

 

[Joe S.]

That was my initial reaction as well when my buddy told me this. But he seems convinced that they have the numbers to do this.

Either way I?m annoyed at this whole situation.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So I?m hearing (not through anything official) that these truckers have a plan B if the government doesn?t relent on the vaccination requirements and are going to cutoff the supply chain across the country, with the support of US truckers. Putting aside that logistically I?m not sure how they pull this off, isn?t this getting dangerously close to terrorism?

I wonder whose idea this was. Maybe the organizer who compared mask mandates to Nazi Germany. Or the organizers who told local press in Thunder Bay to "go find a new country". Or maybe it was the one who told a Toronto Star reporter that traitors like him will "swing in time". Anyway I'm sure they're all good folks who are just concerned about the supply chain.

 

[bustaheims]

That was my initial reaction as well when my buddy told me this. But he seems convinced that they have the numbers to do this.

Either way I?m annoyed at this whole situation.

They have ~4,000 trucks or something like that. There's no way that's enough to cut off enough trade routes to accomplish anything long-term. If they even try, it will fail horribly and will be over so quickly it will make their heads spin.

 

[louisstamos]

That was my initial reaction as well when my buddy told me this. But he seems convinced that they have the numbers to do this.

Either way I?m annoyed at this whole situation.

They have ~4,000 trucks or something like that. There's no way that's enough to cut off enough trade routes to accomplish anything long-term. If they even try, it will fail horribly and will be over so quickly it will make their heads spin.

Most counts have them nowhere near that: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/freedom-convoy-guinness/

The world record for truck convoys was set in Egypt of 416 trucks in 2020.  The closest count here is 113 trucks (and 246 personal vehicles).

 

[bustaheims]

That was my initial reaction as well when my buddy told me this. But he seems convinced that they have the numbers to do this.

Either way I?m annoyed at this whole situation.

They have ~4,000 trucks or something like that. There's no way that's enough to cut off enough trade routes to accomplish anything long-term. If they even try, it will fail horribly and will be over so quickly it will make their heads spin.

Most counts have them nowhere near that: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/freedom-convoy-guinness/

The world record for truck convoys was set in Egypt of 416 trucks in 2020.  The closest count here is 113 trucks (and 246 personal vehicles).

Well, then, there?s really no way they can do any of this.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

So I?m hearing (not through anything official) that these truckers have a plan B if the government doesn?t relent on the vaccination requirements and are going to cutoff the supply chain across the country, with the support of US truckers. Putting aside that logistically I?m not sure how they pull this off, isn?t this getting dangerously close to terrorism?

I wonder whose idea this was. Maybe the organizer who compared mask mandates to Nazi Germany. Or the organizers who told local press in Thunder Bay to "go find a new country". Or maybe it was the one who told a Toronto Star reporter that traitors like him will "swing in time". Anyway I'm sure they're all good folks who are just concerned about the supply chain.

Like usual, it is quickly unravelling. I have no doubt that within the group that is part of this "convoy" that there's some good people with the best of intentions. The problem is, like you said, they're being run by morons. The one gentleman from Sudbury that was interviewed compared it to nazi Germany. I lost all interest in even paying attention to this farce as soon as I read that. By the way, you're not doing yourself any favours driving around with stickers or flags that say "F Trudeau".....Trudeau himself doesn't care and everyone who's looking at you thinks you're an idiot. I had a guy show up to a job interview last week with that across the tailgate of his truck. Yeah, sorry, no, we are not hiring you.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

By the way, you're not doing yourself any favours driving around with stickers or flags that say "F Trudeau".....Trudeau himself doesn't care and everyone who's looking at you thinks you're an idiot. I had a guy show up to a job interview last week with that across the tailgate of his truck. Yeah, sorry, no, we are not hiring you.

It's the weirdest thing. There's certainly some politicians out there who I strongly, strongly disagree with, but I would never make that my entire personality.

 

[herman]

By the way, you're not doing yourself any favours driving around with stickers or flags that say "F Trudeau".....Trudeau himself doesn't care and everyone who's looking at you thinks you're an idiot. I had a guy show up to a job interview last week with that across the tailgate of his truck. Yeah, sorry, no, we are not hiring you.

It's the weirdest thing. There's certainly some politicians out there who I strongly, strongly disagree with, but I would never make that my entire personality.

It really does help in the selection process when people wear their red flags on the outside in this era of politics, podcasts, and pandemics.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

By the way, you're not doing yourself any favours driving around with stickers or flags that say "F Trudeau".....Trudeau himself doesn't care and everyone who's looking at you thinks you're an idiot. I had a guy show up to a job interview last week with that across the tailgate of his truck. Yeah, sorry, no, we are not hiring you.

It's the weirdest thing. There's certainly some politicians out there who I strongly, strongly disagree with, but I would never make that my entire personality.

It really does help in the selection process when people wear their red flags on the outside in this era of politics, podcasts, and pandemics.

It certainly does. Here's a group, that doesn't to change, or grow with society. They are a group that alienates people of different races or sexual preferences. So, they put up confederate flags, and spew BS on social media. They put stickers on their trucks. And in turn, society is alienating them and for that we're called intolerant and sheep. 

I have family members that have chosen to  wear these hats and  scream about their civil rights. They mock others for not forming their own opinions and listening to the media. Umm, dough brain, you've formed all your opinions by reading far out there facebook posts and listening to  extreme right wing podcasters. You've combed google to find  stories that support your 'narrative'(man i hate that word now). If anything you're the largest flock of sheep there is.

I'll be the first to admit that I've wavered out of exhaustion during this pandemic. I'll be the first to admit that I've looked for ways out  or short cuts. I  don't want to be in this situation and selfishly I've tried to escape it. Unfortunately,  there is no easy way out.  Well, other than choosing to ignore it and as a result, forcing our doctors and nurses into complete exhaustion. To me, that's not the smart move. But, selfishly, many people think that having a depleted medical system isn't a big deal. Until they need it.

I can't wait until I hear those family members and friends complaining about the wait times at the Emergency Room.

 

[Bender]

And the thing that kills me is the US is blocking truckers from entering so the point is moot. Nothing has changed on the Canadian side other than matching what the US is doing, but really just having the US enact border control is enough.

And it's pretty irksome that Go Fund Me can allow both seemingly random and anonymous donations to protests from people outside the country. How do we know that some of these donations aren't coming from state actors looking to destabilize things here like they do with troll farms on Twitter and hate groups on Facebook?