Florida interested in Kessel

[Deebo]

I think that's a fair question, but Kessel's contract is very reasonable given his production over the past few years.  It's a commitment, and teams should be wary of such a long commitment, but I'm of the opinion that he's not overpaid.

I think he should fetch quite a return given his history of producing being the only real elite offensive weapon on a lousy team in the recent past.

I don't think he's all that "overpaid" on a per season basis at the moment, maybe slightly, it's more the term in combination with it.  In other words, it's not bad now, but it will be.

If the GM of the Ducks, for example, can add a premier talent in his prime like that to his team while they are among the top contenders. I don't think years 6-7 are of too much concern.

 

[sneakyray]

jeff carter got a 1st plus jack johnson in the midst of his worst season where he was not playing (cause he was hurt) and had reportedly given up on his team.

don't see how phil is worth any less.

I don't know, what did Carter's remaining contract look like?

It had 10 years left on it, it runs until he is 37 and has potential cap recapture penalties if he retires early. Cap hit is lower than Kessel's though.

his was one of the contracts that caused the changes to contract rules if I'm not mistaken.

yeah phil is getting 8mil but its a straight laced contract...no cap circumvention.

 

[Kin]

I don't think he's all that "overpaid" on a per season basis at the moment, maybe slightly, it's more the term in combination with it.  In other words, it's not bad now, but it will be.

That's great and everything but realistically other teams will know that if a player of Kessel's quality got to the open market, they could basically sign whatever contract they wanted. Guys like Nathan Horton and David Clarkson got offered 7 year deals by multiple teams. So if a team out there wants to add a player of Kessel's ability they'd more than likely understand that the sort of term we're talking about is the cost of doing business.

 

[Manson]

I don't follow the financial side of things as closely as some of you, but I'm fairly certain $8M/yr is what franchise players are getting.  My view of Kessel is that he's a complimentary player getting franchise player money.

Then you're fairly certainly wrong. Franchise players like Toews and Kane are getting 10.5 million. PK Subban got 9. Any franchise player making less than that either A) signed their deal before the current CBA or B) were RFA's and their deals aren't comparable to UFA deals.

Well, see there ya go.

 

[Deebo]

I don't think he's all that "overpaid" on a per season basis at the moment, maybe slightly, it's more the term in combination with it.  In other words, it's not bad now, but it will be.

That's great and everything but realistically other teams will know that if a player of Kessel's quality got to the open market, they could basically sign whatever contract they wanted. Guys like Nathan Horton and David Clarkson got offered 7 year deals by multiple teams. So if a team out there wants to add a player of Kessel's ability they'd more than likely understand that the sort of term we're talking about is the cost of doing business.

Yeah, its either give term, or don't sign the player. Especially when we are talking about a premier talent.

 

[Manson]

It had 10 years left on it, it runs until he is 37 and has potential cap recapture penalties if he retires early. Cap hit is lower than Kessel's though.

10 years, wow.

 

[Madferret]

My reasoning is I think the term and $ left for a non franchise player is going to be too much of gamble for most teams in the league. I don't disagree that he's one of the purest goal scorers in the league - it's got nothing to do with his talent.

 

[Madferret]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

 

[Frank E]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

Kings and Hawks have got some pretty good wingers, right?

Nobody argued a rebuild around a 27 year old player, but Stanley Cup winners lately have got 30+ goal wingers, right?

 

[Madferret]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

Kings and Hawks have got some pretty good wingers, right?

Nobody argued a rebuild around a 27 year old player, but Stanley Cup winners lately have got 30+ goal wingers, right?

?  I'm not following you Frank..

 

[Deebo]

My reasoning is I think the term and $ left for a non franchise player is going to be too much of gamble for most teams in the league.

If any team wants to add a a prime-aged elite scorer prime to their team, this is what it costs.

Like I said, move out a 2-3M player in the trade to get him and its a very manageable number to add to any team, especially when you are getting one of the best goal scorers in the game. I think teams that are ready to take the next step will make the gamble. It's not like they can't move him after a couple years.

Obsessing over a couple years of term and 750k in cap when you are talking about adding a top player to contender is largely a fan and media phenomenon.

 

[sneakyray]

My reasoning is I think the term and $ left for a non franchise player is going to be too much of gamble for most teams in the league.

If any team wants to add a a prime-aged elite scorer prime to their team, this is what it costs.

Like I said, move out a 2-3M player in the trade to get him and its a very manageable number to add to any team, especially when you are getting one of the best goal scorers in the game. I think teams that are ready to take the next step will make the gamble. It's not like they can't move him after a couple years.

Obsessing over a couple years of term and 750k in cap when you are talking about adding a top player to contender is largely a fan and media phenomenon.

this is how I feel too.  Right in the prime of his career...durable...top 10 in points the last 3 years.

he will either fetch at least a 1st and a premiere prospect/young player or he won't be traded.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

So if Anaheim (as an example) trade for Kessel it won't be to build the whole franchise around. Solid point.

I don't think anyone's advocating for moving him to Buffalo..

 

[sneakyray]

I was just wondering who toronto will build their team around once they trade phil.

 

[Deebo]

I was just wondering who toronto will build their team around once they trade phil.

2015 1st Nylander Reilly to start.

 

[bustaheims]

Outside of generational talent types or exceptional goaltenders, the idea that teams build around a single player is garbage.

 

[Madferret]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

So if Anaheim (as an example) trade for Kessel it won't be to build the whole franchise around. Solid point.

I don't think anyone's advocating for moving him to Buffalo..

No - I'm saying I don't believe teams are willing to trade for a player who isn't a franchise player but is paid like one for the next 7 years.  On top of the premium package they'd have to put together to acquire him. It's way too risky.

 

[rdowdall]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

So if Anaheim (as an example) trade for Kessel it won't be to build the whole franchise around. Solid point.

I don't think anyone's advocating for moving him to Buffalo..

No - I'm saying I don't believe teams are willing to trade for a player who isn't a franchise player but is paid like one for the next 7 years.  On top of the premium package they'd have to put together to acquire him. It's way too risky.

So what is your opinion of the Bobby Ryan deal?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If someone traded for him it wouldn't be to build around him . Wingers are rarely franchise players.

So if Anaheim (as an example) trade for Kessel it won't be to build the whole franchise around. Solid point.

I don't think anyone's advocating for moving him to Buffalo..

No - I'm saying I don't believe teams are willing to trade for a player who isn't a franchise player but is paid like one for the next 7 years.  On top of the premium package they'd have to put together to acquire him. It's way too risky.

Pending UFA franchise players are going to get more than Kessel is earning.

 

[BrownRolo]

I'm not 100% sure why you keep talking about Kessel's contract like it's a positive? Speaking of which what does his NTC detail?

As  Significantly Insignificant said, what's your opinion on the Bobby Ryan deal?  Let's compare..

Phil Kessel: UFA 2022 Cap Hit of $8,000,000
7 months younger, 60 more goals, 68 more assists
Goals per game: .3788
Assists per game: .4083

Bobby Ryan: UFA 2022 Cap Hit of $7,250,000
Goals per game: .3687
Assists per game: .3907

So Kessel gets paid $750,000 more per season than Bobby Ryan.
You must think the Ryan deal is a negative as well.