Franson at the deadline

[Boston Leaf]

Id say if someone offers a 2nd round pick.. take it and run..someone will pay him crazy money being the right handed shot and not much out there for UFA's (yes boychuck will be big too)..so better than losing him

Even harder to find a good player in the second round. Your basically tossing away a real good defenseman, that a lot of teams will want, for a one in 10 shot of someone just as good or better.

so if a team wants to pay him 5.5 a year for 6 or 7 years would you want to match that or up it? We cannot afford what he will be looking for.. Unless I am missing something. He is a UFA so it makes his trade value a little lower since he is basically a rental

I'm not criticizing you. I'm just saying I don't trust they can get a decent return through the draft. Which makes me think that they'll go the prospect route instead. Still a pretty big gamble to trade away a sure thing for an unknown commodity, but it may take a little of the guess out of the equation I suppose.

oh I didn't take it as criticism at all. everyone has their opinions. I would be happy with Franson 4 years at 4 or so. But we jsut seem to ahve enough bad contracts and paying him anything crazy will be just another to set us back. The state we are in Id rather let a kid play for a ton less the money..

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Let's see here....

Phaneuf (is unfairly criticized but) good.
Franson (is suddenly now) good.
Rielly (will be) good.
Gardiner (has all the tools to be) good.
Polak (is tough as a boot, which is) good.

So, why is our defense (not) good?

I think a very little-talked about situation this season has been the fact that Roman Polak leads the Leafs in even-strength ice-time. That's kind of a weird position for our 5th best defenceman to be in.

Aside from that, a lot of people have admitted that Gardiner hasn't had a very strong season, especially pre-coaching change. I also think we have to realize that Rielly is still pretty young and his defensive game is still a work in progress.

 

[bustaheims]

Even harder to find a good player in the second round. Your basically tossing away a real good defenseman, that a lot of teams will want, for a one in 10 shot of someone just as good or better.

The question you really need to be asking is whether or not Franson will be worth ~$6M per for 6 or 7 seasons - because, that's the type of contract he'll get on the open market, and it's unlikely he'll take much of a discount to stay here. You also have to question whether that's worth it for the Leafs. I don't think he will be, nor do I think it's a move the Leafs should be making at this stage, regardless. On a contending team, at most, he's a 2nd pairing defenceman, and that's not the type of player that a smart team commits big money or term to. It's time for the Leafs to start being a smart team. On top of that, this year is a very deep draft. If the return is a 1st round pick, there's a very good chance that player turns out to be better than Franson. For a player that you're not going to hang on to, I take that chance over the type of prospects that are going to be available in a trade.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Let's see here....

Phaneuf (is unfairly criticized but) good.
Franson (is suddenly now) good.
Rielly (will be) good.
Gardiner (has all the tools to be) good.
Polak (is tough as a boot, which is) good.

So, why is our defense (not) good?

I think a very little-talked about situation this season has been the fact that Roman Polak leads the Leafs in even-strength ice-time. That's kind of a weird position for our 5th best defenceman to be in.

Aside from that, a lot of people have admitted that Gardiner hasn't had a very strong season, especially pre-coaching change. I also think we have to realize that Rielly is still pretty young and his defensive game is still a work in progress.

Yeah even on that list, 2 of them are in the 'shown the tools to be' or 'will be' good, aka haven't been consistently good or aren't there yet.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Let's see here....

Phaneuf (is unfairly criticized but) good
Franson (is suddenly now) good.
Rielly (will be) good.
Gardiner (has all the tools to be) good.
Polak (is tough as a boot, which is) good.

So, why is our defense (not) good?

Also I don't think the group of people who are big fans of both Phaneuf AND Franson is very large. In most cases it's one or the other. So you can paint the defence that way but I think it's closer to 4 out of those 5 having struggles in some way.

Phaneuf OR Franson good
Phaneuf OR Franson not good enough
Rielly young and learning
Gardiner inconsistent
Polak playing too much

 

[Bullfrog]

Id say if someone offers a 2nd round pick.. take it and run..someone will pay him crazy money being the right handed shot and not much out there for UFA's (yes boychuck will be big too)..so better than losing him

Even harder to find a good player in the second round. Your basically tossing away a real good defenseman, that a lot of teams will want, for a one in 10 shot of someone just as good or better.

But they'd be tossing away someone who may be leaving anyway if they can't agree on a good contract. I think it's best to get some assets for him.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Even harder to find a good player in the second round. Your basically tossing away a real good defenseman, that a lot of teams will want, for a one in 10 shot of someone just as good or better.

The question you really need to be asking is whether or not Franson will be worth ~$6M per for 6 or 7 seasons - because, that's the type of contract he'll get on the open market, and it's unlikely he'll take much of a discount to stay here. You also have to question whether that's worth it for the Leafs. I don't think he will be, nor do I think it's a move the Leafs should be making at this stage, regardless. On a contending team, at most, he's a 2nd pairing defenceman, and that's not the type of player that a smart team commits big money or term to. It's time for the Leafs to start being a smart team. On top of that, this year is a very deep draft. If the return is a 1st round pick, there's a very good chance that player turns out to be better than Franson. For a player that you're not going to hang on to, I take that chance over the type of prospects that are going to be available in a trade.

Good points.

If the Leafs sign Franson to big $$ and term, they likely have to toss one or more of Phaneuf, Kessel, JVR or Gardiner since they're so tight to the cap, and need to re-sign some important players.  Not to mention, by the time the Leafs are contending Franson will be even slower and likely less productive, on a big contract.

Shanahan has stated he wants to build this team through the draft and develop players the proper way.  Given that we have one pick in the first 2 rounds, I really think the Leafs need to move guys like Franson while they can fetch something of value (picks/prospects AND cap space).

 

[ZBBM]

From tsn.ca:

Flying South?

The Dallas Stars have some veteran pending UFA players that they may consider moving at the trade deadline, but could the team's bigger priority be adding a Toronto Maple Leaf to its blue line?

Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News reported Sunday that while the likes of Erik Cole and Shawn Horcoff could be on the way out, the team might also want to bolster its back end for a playoff run this season.

Listed amongst possible trade targets that might appeal to the Stars are pending UFA Cody Franson as well as Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf.

Franson's point production and right-hand shot make him a coveted addition, according to Heika, who had the following to say of Phaneuf: "Toronto?s captain has six years left on a contract extension that averages $7 million and would require a lot in return, so you have to be sold on the 29-year-old. But he?s a big (6-3, 218) lefty who might be the No. 1 defenceman the team craves."


http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-stars-eyeing-leafs-d-1.191388

Clickbait?  Maybe, but at least it came from a Dallas scribe.

 

[Highlander]

Man if they could move the Pylon and keep Cody that would be the best of both worlds. Some have said Cody would wear the C better than the P.  What a dream to get rid of him, perhaps they could use Clarkson too. After all he was our best player (in the last game)

 

[Bullfrog]

At this point -- and I'll admit it took me awhile to get there -- I'd be fine moving out both Franson and Phaneuf.

My only hesitation is to see if Horachek can use Phaneuf more effectively and take advantage of his skills.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

From tsn.ca:

Flying South?

The Dallas Stars have some veteran pending UFA players that they may consider moving at the trade deadline, but could the team's bigger priority be adding a Toronto Maple Leaf to its blue line?

Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News reported Sunday that while the likes of Erik Cole and Shawn Horcoff could be on the way out, the team might also want to bolster its back end for a playoff run this season.

Listed amongst possible trade targets that might appeal to the Stars are pending UFA Cody Franson as well as Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf.

Franson's point production and right-hand shot make him a coveted addition, according to Heika, who had the following to say of Phaneuf: "Toronto?s captain has six years left on a contract extension that averages $7 million and would require a lot in return, so you have to be sold on the 29-year-old. But he?s a big (6-3, 218) lefty who might be the No. 1 defenceman the team craves."


http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-stars-eyeing-leafs-d-1.191388

Clickbait?  Maybe, but at least it came from a Dallas scribe.

I posted in another thread that I'd be interested in Eakin and Klingberg (well Nichushkin too but that ain't happening!)

I'd happily move either of them for that return.

Klingberg is better than Gardiner IMO.

 

[ZBBM]

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/franson-unsure-of-leaf-future-as-trade-talks-swirl-1.193296

He wants to stay a Leaf blahblahblah.  If they dump Phaneuf to sign him then I guess I'm OK with it but despite his better play this year I think he's too slow.  Get rid of both and pile up picks.

 

[Highlander]

Franson a must if they got rid of the Pylon, otherwise he is toast.

 

[bustaheims]

He wants to stay a Leaf blahblahblah.  If they dump Phaneuf to sign him then I guess I'm OK with it but despite his better play this year I think he's too slow.  Get rid of both and pile up picks.

Yup. He's going to get paid more than he's worth, and the Leafs need to have less of those contracts, not more.

 

[Highlander]

I think he could be reasonable on a 2 or 3 year deal as he is a huge Leaf fan. I realize business is business but if he knows they are going to open the bank for him in 3 years (when they have rid  themselve of Clarkson and some of the other bad contracts) he may just stick around.
I mean this guy loves the Leafs, he almost had a rupnee when they gave him the A.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Franson to Nashville?  This from LeBrun:

Franson would join (re-join) an already significant defensive group in Nashville that includes Shea Weber, Roman Josi, Ryan Ellisand Seth Jones.

The Predators have a boatload of cap space as well if they should desire to take a shot at extending Franson.

Coming back, could the Leafs get Swiss standout Kevin Fiala? There weren?t too many people that left the WJHC this year with a bad take on Fiala.

http://editorinleaf.com/2015/02/04/maple-leafs-trade-rumors-lebrun-talks-franson-santorelli/

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Franson to Nashville?  This from LeBrun:

Franson would join (re-join) an already significant defensive group in Nashville that includes Shea Weber, Roman Josi, Ryan Ellisand Seth Jones.

The Predators have a boatload of cap space as well if they should desire to take a shot at extending Franson.

Coming back, could the Leafs get Swiss standout Kevin Fiala? There weren?t too many people that left the WJHC this year with a bad take on Fiala.

http://editorinleaf.com/2015/02/04/maple-leafs-trade-rumors-lebrun-talks-franson-santorelli/

To be clear here, none of those words were written by LeBrun. He has never suggested that the Leafs could get Fiala for Franson.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Franson to Nashville?  This from LeBrun:

Franson would join (re-join) an already significant defensive group in Nashville that includes Shea Weber, Roman Josi, Ryan Ellisand Seth Jones.

The Predators have a boatload of cap space as well if they should desire to take a shot at extending Franson.

Coming back, could the Leafs get Swiss standout Kevin Fiala? There weren?t too many people that left the WJHC this year with a bad take on Fiala.

http://editorinleaf.com/2015/02/04/maple-leafs-trade-rumors-lebrun-talks-franson-santorelli/

To be clear here, none of those words were written by LeBrun. He has never suggested that the Leafs could get Fiala for Franson.

So, wait, you're telling me that, contrary to popular belief, Pierre Lebrun isn't writing for editorinleaf.com?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So, wait, you're telling me that, contrary to popular belief, Pierre Lebrun isn't writing for editorinleaf.com?

Negotiations fell apart at the last minute. They wouldn't give him his own parking space.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So where do we think Fiala slots in next season on the Leafs?