Game 64: Maple Leafs @ Blackhawks 8:00pm - Another road loss ?

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

How can you have no pride what so ever. How can you lose 10 straight!

When they get to that, maybe you can ask them.

Sorry, 1-9-1

Feel better now, 1-9-1

 

[Deebo]

How can you have no pride what so ever. How can you lose 10 straight!

When they get to that, maybe you can ask them.

When, not if, is the right word here.

 

[bustaheims]

I dunno Busta.  Burke may have appointed himself Pope, but even he has to be feeling intense pressure.

www.tanenbaum.org/intervention

Even still, as I posted in another thread, changing coaches in unlikely to have an impact soon enough to salvage this season. Most coaches need an 8-10 game stretch before their impact is seen. It'll be too late for the Leafs by then (it may very well be too late for them now). Also, it's not like the team has quit on the coach. They were playing hard out there tonight, they just weren't good enough. There's really nothing to be gained by firing Wilson now except for appeasing a few impatient fans.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

I dunno Busta.  Burke may have appointed himself Pope, but even he has to be feeling intense pressure.

www.tanenbaum.org/intervention

Even still, as I posted in another thread, changing coaches in unlikely to have an impact soon enough to salvage this season. Most coaches need an 8-10 game stretch before their impact is seen. It'll be too late for the Leafs by then (it may very well be too late for them now). Also, it's not like the team has quit on the coach. They were playing hard out there tonight, they just weren't good enough. There's really nothing to be gained by firing Wilson now except for appeasing a few impatient fans.

Yeah but not doing anything is equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA". Firing Wilson now will at least show the fans the management acknowledges this train wreck and will seek to correct it.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Even still, as I posted in another thread, changing coaches in unlikely to have an impact soon enough to salvage this season. Most coaches need an 8-10 game stretch before their impact is seen. It'll be too late for the Leafs by then (it may very well be too late for them now). Also, it's not like the team has quit on the coach. They were playing hard out there tonight, they just weren't good enough. There's really nothing to be gained by firing Wilson now except for appeasing a few impatient fans.

All of this is true, I agree.

 

[pnjunction]

If the guy we want next year were available now, couldn't there be some value in working with the team for the rest of the season?

Then again a fresh start is probably better than stepping right into this pile of dog crap

 

[azzurri63]

Frattin almost tied it there...

Frattin ALMOST does a lot of things.

At least he brings it most nights not like the some of the no show millionaires we have.

Bozak's impressed me lately in that regard.

Bozak with 3 straight draws in the final minute, and a goal.  He brought it.

Unlike Captain Useless.  Why Wilson has that big potato out there in crucial situations is beyond me.

It's because it's all about egos and pride with this team starting with Burke and Wilson. How would it look if we benched our captain? Burke and Wilson won't take the blame for alot of our problems. When they made the deal with Calgary I thought if Phaneuf played anywhere near his first few years then the Flames got fleeced. Aulie was a bonus. Now Calgary doesn't really have anything to show for the trade other than Stajan. With Dion's inconsistent play hard to say who won the trade and after Aulie going and you posting we lost the trade I'm now thinking the same thing. Reason being Phaneuf's play has me shaking my head most nights and his 6.5 million dollars we are stuck with. He never should have been named captain. Think that has backfired on Burke to.

 

[ZBBM]

I dunno Busta.  Burke may have appointed himself Pope, but even he has to be feeling intense pressure.

www.tanenbaum.org/intervention

Even still, as I posted in another thread, changing coaches in unlikely to have an impact soon enough to salvage this season. Most coaches need an 8-10 game stretch before their impact is seen. It'll be too late for the Leafs by then (it may very well be too late for them now). Also, it's not like the team has quit on the coach. They were playing hard out there tonight, they just weren't good enough. There's really nothing to be gained by firing Wilson now except for appeasing a few impatient fans.

Excuse me?  Impatient?  Some of us have been VERY patient waiting for this to happen.

I don't care if it turns the team around, I have had it with the crap team defense for 4 -- count 'em, FOUR -- g/d years.  That's not being impatient.  It's being rational.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah but not doing anything is equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA". Firing Wilson now will at least show the fans the management acknowledges this train wreck and will seek to correct it.

Only the most myopic and pessimistic fans would believe the management team doesn't see what's going on here and have plans to correct it.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Firing Wilson now will at least show the fans the management acknowledges this train wreck and will seek to correct it.

Yeah, because I'm sure they are oblivious to what is going on. Things will be done in the summer now.

 

[bustaheims]

Excuse me?  Impatient?  Some of us have been VERY patient waiting for this to happen.

I don't care if it turns the team around, I have had it with the crap team defense for 4 -- count 'em, FOUR -- g/d years.  That's not being impatient.  It's being rational.

Since firing Wilson now won't likely change anything, how is not being willing to wait until the end of the season anything but impatient?

 

[pnjunction]

Yeah but not doing anything is equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA". Firing Wilson now will at least show the fans the management acknowledges this train wreck and will seek to correct it.

Only the most myopic and pessimistic fans would believe the management team doesn't see what's going on here and have plans to correct it.

What was done after similar meltdowns in previous years again? Wilson is still here kicking us in the balls.

I think this had to be the last straw but I don't have the faith in management that you do

 

[ZBBM]

Frattin almost tied it there...

Frattin ALMOST does a lot of things.

At least he brings it most nights not like the some of the no show millionaires we have.

Bozak's impressed me lately in that regard.

Bozak with 3 straight draws in the final minute, and a goal.  He brought it.

Unlike Captain Useless.  Why Wilson has that big potato out there in crucial situations is beyond me.

It's because it's all about egos and pride with this team starting with Burke and Wilson. How would it look if we benched our captain? Burke and Wilson won't take the blame for alot of our problems. When they made the deal with Calgary I thought if Phaneuf played anywhere near his first few years then the Flames got fleeced. Aulie was a bonus. Now Calgary doesn't really have anything to show for the trade other than Stajan. With Dion's inconsistent play hard to say who won the trade and after Aulie going and you posting we lost the trade I'm now thinking the same thing. Reason being Phaneuf's play has me shaking my head most nights and his 6.5 million dollars we are stuck with. He never should have been named captain. Think that has backfired on Burke to.

I'm sorry to say that this is pretty much right.  I was kidding (in anger) when I said CGY won the trade but it's a helluva lot closer to a wash than anyone would have thought.

Phaneuf didn't deserve to be named captain and he never should have.  Whatever "leadership" qualities he has are more than offset by his constant bonehead play.

And yes, they will never bench him to protect their damn egos, which have brought the team to the pass that it's in.

 

[bustaheims]

What was done after similar meltdowns in previous years again? Wilson is still here kicking us in the balls.

I think this had to be the last straw but I don't have the faith in management that you do

Every other season came with built in excuses and lower expectations. Wilson doesn't have those this season.

 

[pnjunction]

Yep egos killing this team. From the rushed retool all the way to Wilson still being the behind the bench today

 

[Swede]

I dunno Busta.  Burke may have appointed himself Pope, but even he has to be feeling intense pressure.

www.tanenbaum.org/intervention

Even still, as I posted in another thread, changing coaches in unlikely to have an impact soon enough to salvage this season. Most coaches need an 8-10 game stretch before their impact is seen. It'll be too late for the Leafs by then (it may very well be too late for them now). Also, it's not like the team has quit on the coach. They were playing hard out there tonight, they just weren't good enough. There's really nothing to be gained by firing Wilson now except for appeasing a few impatient fans.

Wrong
A new coach can use the remainder of this season to establish his game,
Get used to the rest of the coaching staff.
In general he can use the time to start to make the team his.
Instead of wasting 25 games next season to do it.
Plus it gives Burke a chance to look at the new coach.
Even if the coach is interm in nature it is a  couple of months extra
to find a replacement.

 

[ZBBM]

Excuse me?  Impatient?  Some of us have been VERY patient waiting for this to happen.

I don't care if it turns the team around, I have had it with the crap team defense for 4 -- count 'em, FOUR -- g/d years.  That's not being impatient.  It's being rational.

Since firing Wilson now won't likely change anything, how is not being willing to wait until the end of the season anything but impatient?

Because we have already waited at least a year too long.  At least.  It's just absurd to preach additional "patience" at this point.  There is no downside to firing Wilson now.  None.

 

[Oracle]

Reason being Phaneuf's play has me shaking my head most nights and his 6.5 million dollars we are stuck with. He never should have been named captain. Think that has backfired on Burke to.

Totally agree. In all fairness to Phaneuf that was a lot of pressure all the fanfare he was brought in with. It's a tough enough market without being paraded in like the saviour of the team.

 

[jdh1]

Wilson should realize the problem and simply resign and let his boss off the hook to can him...Come on Ron just quit.

 

[azzurri63]

Yeah but not doing anything is equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALA". Firing Wilson now will at least show the fans the management acknowledges this train wreck and will seek to correct it.

Only the most myopic and pessimistic fans would believe the management team doesn't see what's going on here and have plans to correct it.

Busta I'm sure they do as well but it's well overdue. That's what has most frustrated on here. What's Burke waiting for. Us to get on a roll so were stuck with his buddy for another year.