General Leafs Talk

[cw]

That's why I like twitter.

Before, you would notice someone would leave the game or the commentator mentions someone going to the locker room and you had to wait a while for word on what it was.

Now?  I have my iphone right next to me and within minutes you get some sort of update.

Just the other game (against CBJ) I noticed Grabovski left the game (lombardi took a shift or two with Kulemin and Grabs) and I tweeted MattIaboni what happened and he responded it looked like an equipment thing, and sure enough, Grabs was back not long after.

Twitter has really excelled the pace at which we receive news.

For sure.

On the upside, it seems to have put a dent in Eklund's effort to "be first" with his rumours because the whole world knows all the rumours within five minutes on twitter.

 

[Corn Flake]

I'm glad we have guys like Mirtle and Siegel as some of the newer beat writers, though. Mirtle's a lot better than expected imo, and I only recently discovered pension plan puppets, which can be a good resource for analytical breakdowns of the Leafs' play.

If there has been any improvement in the media, it's come from guys like that who started out on the net and migrated to more formal positions in the media. Much of their work is better than what we were fed by the papers. Some of it has been very thoughtful, original and well researched analysis - much better quality than pre internet.

Yeah Mirtle started out with us at McKeen's while he was still in Journalism school at Ryerson. Pretty opportunistic guy who was always eager to work to put in the hard work.  He had his blog and his scouting/columns with us.  He outgrew the online thing pretty quick.

The irony of his role as a beat writer here is he hates the Leafs. (he will of course never admit that now)    Although sometimes you can sense it in his writing... so he fits right in with most of the writers in this town.

The guy who really bothers me now who I used to like a lot is Bruce Arthur.  Always been insightful but lately has taken the tone of a pompous preacher in a lot of his pieces. Especially when writing about a number of the "moral" issues that have entered the sports world lately.  Comes across very pompous on twitter if you dare to disagree. Too bad.  He wasn't like that a few years ago.

 

[Erndog]

That's why I like twitter.

Before, you would notice someone would leave the game or the commentator mentions someone going to the locker room and you had to wait a while for word on what it was.

Now?  I have my iphone right next to me and within minutes you get some sort of update.

Just the other game (against CBJ) I noticed Grabovski left the game (lombardi took a shift or two with Kulemin and Grabs) and I tweeted MattIaboni what happened and he responded it looked like an equipment thing, and sure enough, Grabs was back not long after.

Twitter has really excelled the pace at which we receive news.

For sure.

On the upside, it seems to have put a dent in Eklund's effort to "be first" with his rumours because the whole world knows all the rumours within five minutes on twitter.

That's why I find it funny when people take pride in "breaking news." 

Within 2 minutes, it will be on TSN, Sportsnet, the Score, every blogger, all over twitter and message boards.

There really isn't a 'go-to' place for breaking news because they all get it within minutes it will appear on whatever site you just so happen to be on at that time.

 

[Peter D.]

The guy who really bothers me now who I used to like a lot is Bruce Arthur.  Always been insightful but lately has taken the tone of a pompous preacher in a lot of his pieces. Especially when writing about a number of the "moral" issues that have entered the sports world lately.  Comes across very pompous on twitter if you dare to disagree. Too bad.  He wasn't like that a few years ago.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. 

His stances on the Torres, Avery/Simmonds and Goddard issues in recent months, both on radio and in print, annoyed me.

 

[Fanatic]

For those here who work, here is something to surely make your job seem a little more cumbersome than it already is.  ;D  For myself, I do fairly well with salary but I work a ton of hours and get a lot of emails and calls after hours and on weekends to boot. When I think of what some Leafs make per game I cannot help but be just a little jealous.

Phaneuf - $79,268 per game

Kessel - $65,854 per game

Komisarek - $54,878 per game (including the ones in the press box)

Tucker - $12,195 per game - this one bugs me most - I am a way bigger fan than he is and I get paid nothing to sit at home and watch TV

;D

 

[bustaheims]

For those here who work, here is something to surely make your job seem a little more cumbersome than it already is.  ;D  For myself, I do fairly well with salary but I work a ton of hours and get a lot of emails and calls after hours and on weekends to boot. When I think of what some Leafs make per game I cannot help but be just a little jealous.

Phaneuf - $79,268 per game

Kessel - $65,854 per game

Komisarek - $54,878 per game (including the ones in the press box)

Tucker - $12,195 per game - this one bugs me most - I am a way bigger fan than he is and I get paid nothing to sit at home and watch TV

;D

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

 

[princedpw]

For those here who work, here is something to surely make your job seem a little more cumbersome than it already is.  ;D  For myself, I do fairly well with salary but I work a ton of hours and get a lot of emails and calls after hours and on weekends to boot. When I think of what some Leafs make per game I cannot help but be just a little jealous.

Phaneuf - $79,268 per game

Kessel - $65,854 per game

Komisarek - $54,878 per game (including the ones in the press box)

Tucker - $12,195 per game - this one bugs me most - I am a way bigger fan than he is and I get paid nothing to sit at home and watch TV

;D

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Despite the detail you point out, it is still quite a reasonable way to characterize the salary of an NHL player.

 

[princedpw]

What I should have added is that what is missing from the picture is the fact that NHL careers are typically short.  I wouldn't be surprised if the average career was on the order of 4-8 years long.

Another sad stat (quoting from memory so I might be off slightly):  the average NBA player (whose salary probably compares roughly with the average NHL player) is broke 4 years after retirement.

 

[Fanatic]

What I should have added is that what is missing from the picture is the fact that NHL careers are typically short.  I wouldn't be surprised if the average career was on the order of 4-8 years long.

Another sad stat (quoting from memory so I might be off slightly):  the average NBA player (whose salary probably compares roughly with the average NHL player) is broke 4 years after retirement.

That is just sad.

A guy making a comfortable living of $150,000 per year would have enough to own a home, pay towards his kids educations, and save for retirement. If that guy worked 40 years (not accounting for indexing) he would have a lifetime income of $6 million which is what Dion earns in one season.

Guys need to NOT live high off the hog and think about their futures.

 

[pnjunction]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

 

[Fanatic]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

Every two weeks.  Generally, 15th and 30th of the month, October to April.

So Phaneuf is getting $464,285.71 put into his bank account every two weeks. 

Now, there are escrow payments, and players get a per diem as well for days they are on the road.

 

[bustaheims]

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

EDIT: Well, looks like I was a little off here - they do lose out on a per game basis, but, that amount is calculated on a per day basis. In other words, for every game a player is suspended for this season, they forfeit 1/186 of their salary. And, it's also important to point out that the forfeited salary amounts are based on the player's cap hit rather than their actual salary.

 

[Deebo]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

Every two weeks.  Generally, 15th and 30th of the month, October to April.

So Phaneuf is getting $464,285.71 put into his bank account every two weeks. 

Now, there are escrow payments, and players get a per diem as well for days they are on the road.

Don't forget income tax.

 

[Corn Flake]

The guy who really bothers me now who I used to like a lot is Bruce Arthur.  Always been insightful but lately has taken the tone of a pompous preacher in a lot of his pieces. Especially when writing about a number of the "moral" issues that have entered the sports world lately.  Comes across very pompous on twitter if you dare to disagree. Too bad.  He wasn't like that a few years ago.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. 

His stances on the Torres, Avery/Simmonds and Goddard issues in recent months, both on radio and in print, annoyed me.

On the Torres one specifically.... explaining how his agent - an African American - should feel and act given the situation, was ridiculous. 

I've gotten into it with him a few times on twitter and trust me - there is not a subject on earth he is not an expert and authority on.  :

 

[Corn Flake]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

Every two weeks.  Generally, 15th and 30th of the month, October to April.

So Phaneuf is getting $464,285.71 put into his bank account every two weeks. 

Now, there are escrow payments, and players get a per diem as well for days they are on the road.

I believe this is the type of thing Joe S. was referring to when he said the MICRO ANALYSIS OF THE LEAFS GETS OUT OF HAND.

 

[Bullfrog]

$150K is a comfortable living? I thought I was doing ok on a combined family income of just over $40K.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

$150K is a comfortable living? I thought I was doing ok on a combined family income of just over $40K.

I take your point, but where you live plays a big factor.  I live in California and wouldn't get out of bed for 40k. (not really, but you get my meaning I'm sure.)

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

Every two weeks.  Generally, 15th and 30th of the month, October to April.

So Phaneuf is getting $464,285.71 put into his bank account every two weeks. 

Now, there are escrow payments, and players get a per diem as well for days they are on the road.

I believe this is the type of thing Joe S. was referring to when he said the MICRO ANALYSIS OF THE LEAFS GETS OUT OF HAND.

You are over analizing my micro analizing.  ;D

 

[Number 5]

Well, that's all well and good, except for the fact that players don't get paid on a per game basis.

Don't they deduct salary on a per-game bases when players get suspended?  There is some formal connection there beyond just how people think of it, which is valid enough for casual discussion anyways.

I think they are paid monthly, but Busta is just being picky about it. The point remains the same.

Every two weeks.  Generally, 15th and 30th of the month, October to April.

So Phaneuf is getting $464,285.71 put into his bank account every two weeks. 

Now, there are escrow payments, and players get a per diem as well for days they are on the road.

I believe this is the type of thing Joe S. was referring to when he said the MICRO ANALYSIS OF THE LEAFS GETS OUT OF HAND.

You are over analizing my micro analizing.  ;D

Is he? Perhaps we should take a closer look.