Goaltending conundrum v3.0-Reimer or Bernier?

[drummond]

@TSN1050Radio
Nonis: Acquiring a veteran goaltender is something they are STILL interested in. It would help them grow Reimer and Scrivens

Not sure if this is a right move. To carry three goalies is not good, so Scrivens would have to go down, Rynaas would be forced to be just a back-up for the Marlies and what to do with Owuya and newly acquired MacIntyre who btw. played pretty well for the Marlies so far.

Unless Nonis has a package (Komi/Liles + a goalie) in works I would not do that. Let them gain experience. They are hot, let?s ride them.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

@TSN1050Radio
Nonis: Acquiring a veteran goaltender is something they are STILL interested in. It would help them grow Reimer and Scrivens

The only way I'm on board with this is if the Reimer injury drags on or he doesn't play well his first few games back. Otherwise I'd rather see the Reimer/Scrivens tandem the rest of the season.
The more these guys play the better it is for their development IMO.

I agree, I think these two we have can push each other. A lot of people probably disagree, but I think it will stunt the growth, rather than help it. It will just take playing time away from both of them. It would also take a roster spot, to which we're having trouble keeping anything free as it is.

 

[sucka]

Why get an active veteran?  I say bring back Ed Belfour as goalie coach.  It's only money, and MLSE has that to burn.  Scrivens and Reimer are too nice, they could use a little bada$sedness.

 

[bustaheims]

Why get an active veteran?  I say bring back Ed Belfour as goalie coach.  It's only money, and MLSE has that to burn.  Scrivens and Reimer are too nice, they could use a little bada$sedness.

Injury insurance. Find a vet that's okay with being a healthy scratch or riding the bus in the AHL until needed.

 

[Justin]

Welp, Scrivens got pulled. This is why you don?t play a goalie 4 games in 6 nights. The Leafs should have protected Scrivens? hot streak and given him a well-deserved rest. Instead he plays and gets pulled, and his confidence is probably shot. Figures.

 

[Bender]

Welp, Scrivens got pulled. This is why you don?t play a goalie 4 games in 6 nights. The Leafs should have protected Scrivens? hot streak and given him a well-deserved rest. Instead he plays and gets pulled, and his confidence is probably shot. Figures.

Nothing wrong with riding a hot hand. It just didn't work out. Do you honestly think career AHLer Jussi Rynnas would give us a better shot at a win? Because I sure don't.

 

[bustaheims]

Tonight is a pretty good example of why the Leafs' 3rd string goalie should be an experienced vet.

 

[leafplasma]

Tonight is a pretty good example of why the Leafs' 3rd string goalie should be an experienced vet.

I dunno, the problem lies in that the Leafs had 4 prospects all signed over such a short period that you kind of want to have them all playing.  Do you give up on Rynnas or Owuya and cut one of them loose just to sign a vet to play a game once in a blue moon?  I mean I had no problem seeing Rynnas get what could be just one start while Reimer is out.  He certainly has provided decent goaltending in the AHL for three seasons now and had a taste at the NHL level last year.  He is 25 years old and if he isn't ready for a one time start than at this point he shouldn't be in the organization. 

Bender to address what you keep saying, it isn't about putting in the goalie that gives you the best chance to win, it is about keeping Scrivens at the peak of his game for what could be a lengthy run.  So if sacrificing last nights game to TB by resting Scrivens is what can assure that and may mean we win many more games over the long haul, then I do it no question.

 

[Bender]

Tonight is a pretty good example of why the Leafs' 3rd string goalie should be an experienced vet.

I dunno, the problem lies in that the Leafs had 4 prospects all signed over such a short period that you kind of want to have them all playing.  Do you give up on Rynnas or Owuya and cut one of them loose just to sign a vet to play a game once in a blue moon?  I mean I had no problem seeing Rynnas get what could be just one start while Reimer is out.  He certainly has provided decent goaltending in the AHL for three seasons now and had a taste at the NHL level last year.  He is 25 years old and if he isn't ready for a one time start than at this point he shouldn't be in the organization. 

Bender to address what you keep saying, it isn't about putting in the goalie that gives you the best chance to win, it is about keeping Scrivens at the peak of his game for what could be a lengthy run.  So if sacrificing last nights game to TB by resting Scrivens is what can assure that and may mean we win many more games over the long haul, then I do it no question.

Right but it shouldn't be for the long haul - Reimer isn't out for the season. So a short term push and gamble on the far better goalie I think isn't a problem.

I'd like to tweet Scrivens himself about it, for some reason I get the sense that although he's been worked he probably isn't too tired to play at peak level. He's played heavy minutes in the A which is known to have a lot of games back to back. He wasn't sharp last night - was that due more to consistency? Being a young goaltender? Like I said before we've lit up good goalies far more than other teams have lit up hours so I don't mind one or two games that are black marks statistically.

Again, I don't think much would change one way or the other. The gamble failed this time, but if it hadn't we'd be singing Carlyles praises.

 

[Champ Kind]

Welp, Scrivens got pulled. This is why you don?t play a goalie 4 games in 6 nights. The Leafs should have protected Scrivens? hot streak and given him a well-deserved rest. Instead he plays and gets pulled, and his confidence is probably shot. Figures.

Nothing wrong with riding a hot hand. It just didn't work out. Do you honestly think career AHLer Jussi Rynnas would give us a better shot at a win? Because I sure don't.

I agree with you, Bender.  To me, it would have been ridiculous if a goalie, coming off two shutout performances in a row, didn't get the start last night.  This strikes me as a fine example of Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

 

[Highlander]

Its hard to blame Scrivens for most of the goals last night...that I saw...

 

[Kin]

Nothing wrong with riding a hot hand. It just didn't work out. Do you honestly think career AHLer Jussi Rynnas would give us a better shot at a win? Because I sure don't.

Not necessarily, although I don't really see how describing Rynnas as a career AHLer makes a ton of sense, but I think the argument for resting Scrivens has as much to do with the game against Buffalo, where it'll be his 5th game in 8 nights, as it would the game against Tampa Bay. There's a reason goalies typically don't play 80+ games in a season and it's because they need nights off.

 

[Corn Flake]

Its hard to blame Scrivens for most of the goals last night...that I saw...

Then you didn't see the last two.

Looked like mental fatigue to me. After that 3rd softie through the pads, he unravelled.  He will bounce back on Thursday.

 

[nutman]

Its hard to blame Scrivens for most of the goals last night...that I saw...

Then you didn't see the last two.

Looked like mental fatigue to me. After that 3rd softie through the pads, he unravelled.  He will bounce back on Thursday.

I agree CF.

 

[Zee]

Its hard to blame Scrivens for most of the goals last night...that I saw...

Then you didn't see the last two.

Looked like mental fatigue to me. After that 3rd softie through the pads, he unravelled.  He will bounce back on Thursday.

Looking at the schedule from last week I had called last night's game for Rynnas to get the start.  There was nothing for the Leafs to lose in giving Rynnas a shot.  Scrivens was coming off the high of back to back shutouts, give him the night off and let him enjoy that instead of having a bad game.  Puts even more pressure on Scrivens if you're basically telling him he has to carry the entire load while Reimer is out.

 

[nutman]

The big test for Scrivens will be the bounce back on thur.

 

[Redleaf]

I want Riemer back. Soon. 8)

 

[Bender]

Its hard to blame Scrivens for most of the goals last night...that I saw...

Then you didn't see the last two.

Looked like mental fatigue to me. After that 3rd softie through the pads, he unravelled.  He will bounce back on Thursday.

Looking at the schedule from last week I had called last night's game for Rynnas to get the start.  There was nothing for the Leafs to lose in giving Rynnas a shot.  Scrivens was coming off the high of back to back shutouts, give him the night off and let him enjoy that instead of having a bad game.  Puts even more pressure on Scrivens if you're basically telling him he has to carry the entire load while Reimer is out.

I really don't think a professional would cave to the pressure. If anything I bet he wanted to play. After those shutouts why wouldn't his confidence be high?

Again, I think you put in the goaltender that gives you the best chance to win and they did that. Rynnas, for all intents and purposes, is not NHL ready, otherwise he'd have been in instead of Scrivens.

I don't understand how if we lose with Rynnas its a better decision than taking a chance on playing a hot hand with Scrivens.

 

[Deebo]

I want Riemer back. Soon. 8)

Looks like he's back on the ice, Riemer and Lupul are among those at an optional skate today.