Goaltending conundrum v3.0-Reimer or Bernier?

[Kaberle15]

And then who else goes? Reimer or Scrivens?

If that happens, I'm just hoping that the same guy who picked Pogge over Rask is not picking...

Anyway, no deal for Luongo, please.

 

[Redleaf]

Luongo for Connolly and Liles.

Nucks get a centre and some defensive mobility, we send them a long-ish contract we probably don't need going forward, which helps offset the Luongo contract. 

That's about the only deal I'd consider for Luongo and even at that, I would still regret the 10 years on his deal and dry heave every time I look at the cap.

And then who else goes? Reimer or Scrivens?

First of all, I like that trade proposal. Secondly, Reimer would be the one that stays hands down. With Luo getting something like a 65/35 split in games, Reimer will learn from one of the best and be ready to take over full time should Luo start to wear down in few years. Of course there's still that horrible contract to deal with, but it could end up being just what the Leafs need to make a better than expected playoff run, and a chance to keep improving for the foreseeable future.

 

[lamajama]

I don't know if he's coming or not but hold out until Gillis folds. Apparently he has good reputation for some reason but if you look at his body of work meaning his draft record, his UFA signings etc its not very impressive

 

[nutman]

I don't know if he's coming or not but hold out until Gillis folds. Apparently he has good reputation for some reason but if you look at his body of work meaning his draft record, his UFA signings etc its not very impressive

I think the Leafs will stay with R&S. we are only stepping into the world of playoffs and them two are only going to get stronger. all I hear is they have no experence, well they will get some this year and will be ready for a bigger run next season. I just read someones post the we should deal Liles, ya right ! have you seen how good he has been. why would you deal him at this point. like I said before, all the leafs need right now is a good stay at home defenceman.

 

[Andy007]

I don't know if he's coming or not but hold out until Gillis folds. Apparently he has good reputation for some reason but if you look at his body of work meaning his draft record, his UFA signings etc its not very impressive

like I said before, all the leafs need right now is a good stay at home defenceman.

And Ryan Miller, right?

 

[nutman]

I don't know if he's coming or not but hold out until Gillis folds. Apparently he has good reputation for some reason but if you look at his body of work meaning his draft record, his UFA signings etc its not very impressive

like I said before, all the leafs need right now is a good stay at home defenceman.

And Ryan Miller, right?

Would take him in a heartbeat over mr contract. I think if the Leafs were after a goalie that would be the guy I would go after. but my choice is to keep R&S.

 

[Corn Flake]

Luongo for Connolly and Liles.

Nucks get a centre and some defensive mobility, we send them a long-ish contract we probably don't need going forward, which helps offset the Luongo contract. 

That's about the only deal I'd consider for Luongo and even at that, I would still regret the 10 years on his deal and dry heave every time I look at the cap.

And then who else goes? Reimer or Scrivens?

First of all, I like that trade proposal. Secondly, Reimer would be the one that stays hands down. With Luo getting something like a 65/35 split in games, Reimer will learn from one of the best and be ready to take over full time should Luo start to wear down in few years. Of course there's still that horrible contract to deal with, but it could end up being just what the Leafs need to make a better than expected playoff run, and a chance to keep improving for the foreseeable future.

Yes to Reimer staying for sure. It's a tandem plan with Luongo getting the bulk for a few years and see where it goes from there.  Assumption will be that Luongo is around for about 5 years max.  Again, I'm not a huge fan of this approach anymore but just playing around and thinking about what I would do in a trade.

To me this is the only way Gillis is getting anything back that can help his team right now. He's not getting any of our top end young players and I wouldn't even trade him Bozak.. why hurt our team going into the post season to help them?  If he wants Bozak he can throw in his 1st and take Komisarek in the deal too.

 

[Zee]

If we could guarantee that the Isles take Luongo in year 6 to finish his career where it began I'm all for this plan. Come on it's Isles we can make this work right? ;-)

 

[Deebo]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/1/9/3854426/luongo-and-the-new-cbas-luongo-rule

Here's a piece that shows how early retirement would effect Vancouver and any team that acquires him and what would happen if he was subsequently traded.

 

[Redleaf]

Media reports have the Leafs interested in Kiprusoff. I'd be concerned about acquiring him though, even if it was for just a 2nd round pick. His game is slipping (5 goals on 20 shots last night), he's threatening he won't report to a new team, and he could easily decide to hang up the skates this off season. Not sure the Leafs need all this concern and uncertainty heading into their 1st post season in 8 years.

PASS.

 

[Bullfrog]

Unless they're giving him away, I can't see any real interest in Kiprusoff, especially since it's been stated he won't report.

The Leafs are poised to make the playoffs. I don't think they're under any illusion they're real cup contenders, so I don't any desperate moves are made.

 

[ZBBM]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/1/9/3854426/luongo-and-the-new-cbas-luongo-rule

Here's a piece that shows how early retirement would effect Vancouver and any team that acquires him and what would happen if he was subsequently traded.

My God, some people have lots of time on their hands.  That's some pretty impressive number-crunching.

 

[ZBBM]

If he's willing to move, and that's what Toronto is currently waiting to find out, Kiprusoff could probably be had for a draft pick. Nonis might favour that price over the live body or bodies that would be required to get Luongo, who has nine years and more than $40 million owing on his contract. But if Kiprusoff isn't moving, then Luongo is being looked at.

So says McKenzie.

If Nonis gives up anybody or any picks for Luongo, he should be shown the door.

 

[caver]

I think at the start of the season the Luongo talk was based on acquiring a goalie who could get the Leafs into the playoffs. But now that Reimer and Scrivens have got the team there I see no reason to pick up a goalie. Nonis should stay the course and let this team grow.

 

[leafplasma]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/1/9/3854426/luongo-and-the-new-cbas-luongo-rule

Here's a piece that shows how early retirement would effect Vancouver and any team that acquires him and what would happen if he was subsequently traded.

Deebo that is one heck of a breakdown by that blogger.  It makes you wonder who actually does these sort of financial breakdowns in the real deal front offices.  It certainly puts the onus on the team that signs the ridiculous contract to begin with and the team that acquires him kind of takes some of that responsibility as the contract ages.  Burke was smart in not succumbing to these cap circumventing contracts, when many of us at the times were angry that he didn't.  It is like he knew what was coming.

 

[Kin]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/1/9/3854426/luongo-and-the-new-cbas-luongo-rule

Here's a piece that shows how early retirement would effect Vancouver and any team that acquires him and what would happen if he was subsequently traded.

Deebo that is one heck of a breakdown by that blogger.  It makes you wonder who actually does these sort of financial breakdowns in the real deal front offices.  It certainly puts the onus on the team that signs the ridiculous contract to begin with and the team that acquires him kind of takes some of that responsibility as the contract ages.  Burke was smart in not succumbing to these cap circumventing contracts, when many of us at the times were angry that he didn't.  It is like he knew what was coming.

I think we have to wait and see a team actually get hung up by one of these contracts before we decide how terrible they are. While the Luongo contract sort of superficially gives that impression the desire to trade Luongo isn't about him being a bad goalie or unable to live up to the contract, it's about Schneider emerging as a #1 and the Canucks wanting to take advantage of the excess.

Most of the reports we've heard about Luongo have been that Gillis is asking too much, not that he couldn't get rid of the contract at all.

 

[cw]

Nonis will talk trade, but goaltending's not a main priority
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419596
"Having someone there that can help in the event that we need him, I think it just makes sense for us," he explained. "If not, we think we have two NHL calibre goalies. They've proved that this year - goaltending hasn't been an issue."

 

[cw]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2m
Nonis also said today that if the Leafs had a really good, experienced third goalie "then we wouldn?t be in the market at all."

Maybe an AHL level deal for depth?

 

[Peter D.]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2m
Nonis also said today that if the Leafs had a really good, experienced third goalie "then we wouldn?t be in the market at all."

Maybe an AHL level deal for depth?

This sounds like a Scott Clemmensen type.

 

[Corn Flake]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2m
Nonis also said today that if the Leafs had a really good, experienced third goalie "then we wouldn?t be in the market at all."

Maybe an AHL level deal for depth?

This sounds like a Scott Clemmensen type.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too.  A 3rd sting guy as insurance for the stretch and in case of any injuries to Reimer or Scrivens.  Right now if one goes down the Leafs become very vulnerable.  Nothing with the Marlies right now can be considered ready to step to the NHL.