Goaltending conundrum

[bustaheims]

The guy with 3 shutouts in January and just 2 minutes away from a fourth.  I think there is a no question who has the hot hand right now.

The most recent of those games happened almost 2 weeks ago, and the first two shutouts happened close to a month ago. They're pretty irrelevant to who has the hot hand now.

 

[ZBBM]

I'm on Team Gus but even I agree with this decision.

I go both ways... BAZINGA! Seriously though, I'm behind both of them. Er, well, you know what I mean... 

When I was growing up there was a proctologist in my hometown, an immigrant from Cuba, named Dr. Perez.  He decided to run for some public office -- I forget which -- and his campaign slogan was "Now it's your turn to get behind Dr. Perez."

 

[leafplasma]

The guy with 3 shutouts in January and just 2 minutes away from a fourth.  I think there is a no question who has the hot hand right now.

The most recent of those games happened almost 2 weeks ago, and the first two shutouts happened close to a month ago. They're pretty irrelevant to who has the hot hand now.

The 4 games I am talking about occurred over a 10 game span. What part of that is not in any sense a hot hand?  Chalk that up against any of the go to goalies in the NHL this season and that is an incredibly hot stretch.  Doing that on a run and gun team like the Leafs is exponentially even more impressive, no?? 

 

[bustaheims]

The 4 games I am talking about occurred over a 10 game span. What part of that is not in any sense a hot hand?  Chalk that up against any of the go to goalies in the NHL this season and that is an incredibly hot stretch.  Doing that on a run and gun team like the Leafs is exponentially even more impressive, no??

Because of the amount of time that has passed. A game from early January has little to no impact on how a player is playing in early February, regardless of how many games were played in between.

 

[riff raff]

The 4 games I am talking about occurred over a 10 game span. What part of that is not in any sense a hot hand?  Chalk that up against any of the go to goalies in the NHL this season and that is an incredibly hot stretch.  Doing that on a run and gun team like the Leafs is exponentially even more impressive, no??

Because of the amount of time that has passed. A game from early January has little to no impact on how a player is playing in early February, regardless of how many games were played in between.

That would mean that the hot spell that Reimer had last year shouldn't factor in, no?

 

[bustaheims]

That would mean that the hot spell that Reimer had last year shouldn't factor in, no?

Into who has the hot hand right now? Of course not. I don't see anyone seriously suggesting it should be. Into projecting his potential or as an example of what he's capable of? That's a different story.

 

[princedpw]

How anyone could have any issue with giving the guy who provided the team with the best stretch of goaltending since Belfour was here another start after he maybe, just maybe got a much-needed boost to his confidence by winning a 1-0 game is beyond me.

There may be some people who don't think all of the team's decisions should be based on what happened last game but, instead, may prefer an approach that balances that with foresight.

I hate agreeing with you.

2 other points:

(1) a goalie should not be evaluated on the basis of wins and losses (it is easy to make a detailed argument about why; I can't be bothered other than: see raycroft and the glory of his 37 wins)

(2) there is a lot of luck involved in how the puck bounces on any given night (see: shoulder, malkin, evgeni) and this puck luck can make any goalie look good or bad on ay given night. hence predicting how a goalie is going to play in the next game based only on a sample size of the last game is impossible/silly

 

[Kin]

Of the two goalies in question, one provided us with the longest stretch of actual good goaltending in years.

That stretch was where Reimer went 20-10-5 with a 2.60 GAA and a .921 SV%. Gus is coming off a month where he went 7-3-1 with a 2.09 GAA and a .926 SV%. That's a better GAA, SV% and point winning percentage. 

Like I said, I'm personally fine with starting Reimer tomorrow night but I could see someone making the argument that a team that's "riding the hot hand" right now should start Gus.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Of the two goalies in question, one provided us with the longest stretch of actual good goaltending in years.

That stretch was where Reimer went 20-10-5 with a 2.60 GAA and a .921 SV%. Gus is coming off a month where he went 7-3-1 with a 2.09 GAA and a .926 SV%. That's a better GAA, SV% and point winning percentage. 

Like I said, I'm personally fine with starting Reimer tomorrow night but I could see someone making the argument that a team that's "riding the hot hand" right now should start Gus.

Reimer needs to play and stay sharp.  Of course, so does Gustavvson.  I have no qualms with Reimer getting the starting nod for tonight's game.  In fact, both goaltenders need a little rotational where each one plays a stretch of games. 

Hindsight would probably say that it would be safer to go with the "hot hand" (Gustavvson), but, if it was me, I'd be willing to take a chance on Reimer again.

 

[leafplasma]

The 4 games I am talking about occurred over a 10 game span. What part of that is not in any sense a hot hand?  Chalk that up against any of the go to goalies in the NHL this season and that is an incredibly hot stretch.  Doing that on a run and gun team like the Leafs is exponentially even more impressive, no??

Because of the amount of time that has passed. A game from early January has little to no impact on how a player is playing in early February, regardless of how many games were played in between.

Huhh, you don't consider the last 10 games in an NHL schedule recent?  How about the last 5 games then, where he has 1 SO and a GAA of 2.16 and Save % of .919.  Ok still  not recent enough for you, how about his last 2 games which I am sure you are going to point out where he has taken 3 of the 4 points for his club on the road and try to remember the fluke goals in those two games or try to recall just how many were his fault. 

Sorry Busta but you know a good goalie can have a bad game and I don't even consider Gus having bad games in his last two starts.  He is still the hot hand and his track record is becoming longer and longer but no lets try to disregard everything this guy has done for us in the last little bit.  I am not happy that Reimer is starting tonight not one little bit.  The only thing that Reimer earned in his last game as far as I am concerned is a start in the back to backs next week.

 

[bustaheims]

Huhh, you don't consider the last 10 games in an NHL schedule recent?  How about the last 5 games then, where he has 1 SO and a GAA of 2.16 and Save % of .919.  Ok still  not recent enough for you, how about his last 2 games which I am sure you are going to point out where he has taken 3 of the 4 points for his club on the road and try to remember the fluke goals in those two games or try to recall just how many were his fault. 

Sorry Busta but you know a good goalie can have a bad game and I don't even consider Gus having bad games in his last two starts.  He is still the hot hand and his track record is becoming longer and longer but no lets try to disregard everything this guy has done for us in the last little bit.  I am not happy that Reimer is starting tonight not one little bit.  The only thing that Reimer earned in his last game as far as I am concerned is a start in the back to backs next week.

So, who has the hot hand now?

 

[Kaberle15]

So, who has the hot hand now?

Haha I was about to post that too!

 

[Arn]

So, who has the hot hand now?

Can we call choosing who starts games a dilemma now?

 

[Bonsixx]

Of the two goalies in question, one provided us with the longest stretch of actual good goaltending in years.

That stretch was where Reimer went 20-10-5 with a 2.60 GAA and a .921 SV%. Gus is coming off a month where he went 7-3-1 with a 2.09 GAA and a .926 SV%. That's a better GAA, SV% and point winning percentage. 

Like I said, I'm personally fine with starting Reimer tomorrow night but I could see someone making the argument that a team that's "riding the hot hand" right now should start Gus.

You're comparing 35 games with 11, with similar save percentages? OK...

I think Reimer is officially the "hot hand" again now too, by the way.

 

[leafplasma]

Huhh, you don't consider the last 10 games in an NHL schedule recent?  How about the last 5 games then, where he has 1 SO and a GAA of 2.16 and Save % of .919.  Ok still  not recent enough for you, how about his last 2 games which I am sure you are going to point out where he has taken 3 of the 4 points for his club on the road and try to remember the fluke goals in those two games or try to recall just how many were his fault. 

Sorry Busta but you know a good goalie can have a bad game and I don't even consider Gus having bad games in his last two starts.  He is still the hot hand and his track record is becoming longer and longer but no lets try to disregard everything this guy has done for us in the last little bit.  I am not happy that Reimer is starting tonight not one little bit.  The only thing that Reimer earned in his last game as far as I am concerned is a start in the back to backs next week.

So, who has the hot hand now?

Your mama  :-*

 

[bustaheims]

Your mama  :-*

Dorothy Mantooth is a saint!

 

[Mike1]

The goaltending has been all over the place this year. Reimer a couple weeks ago was the goat, tonight he was impressive. Gus was on a good run until the 3rd period of the Pittsburgh game.

Its been a little bit of everything this year. It hasnt been all bad which is a step up from other years but at other times it hasnt been all good. Who is to say that during the next week that Gus wont rise as the hero again?

 

[Kaberle15]

The goaltending has been all over the place this year. Reimer a couple weeks ago was the goat, tonight he was impressive. Gus was on a good run until the 3rd period of the Pittsburgh game.

Its been a little bit of everything this year. It hasnt been all bad which is a step up from other years but at other times it hasnt been all good. Who is to say that during the next week that Gus wont rise as the hero again?

Both should rise as hero sharing the net...

 

[nutman]

The goaltending has been all over the place this year. Reimer a couple weeks ago was the goat, tonight he was impressive. Gus was on a good run until the 3rd period of the Pittsburgh game.


That is what I see going down.

Its been a little bit of everything this year. It hasnt been all bad which is a step up from other years but at other times it hasnt been all good. Who is to say that during the next week that Gus wont rise as the hero again?

Both should rise as hero sharing the net...

 

[leafplasma]

So in the back to back coming up, who plays what game? My guess is Gus against the Oilers at home Monday night and Reimer in Winnipeg as a coming home Tuesday night.