Goaltending conundrum

[ZBBM]

I give Gus the reins for the next 4 games, no matter what, and see what happens on the home stand.  I am not that down on Reimer -- he's had a fits and starts season and I think will bounce back at some point.  But Gus got on a roll in January and Reimer has not been able to since coming back from his concussion.

 

[TML fan]

I will say this for Gustavsson. He was pretty brutal in Winnipeg. I thought he played well against Calgary and didn't really let in a bad goal despite getting lit up for 4. Reimer on the other hand has just been atrocious save for the 2nd period in Edmonton.

In fairness to Wilson (who I don't like being fair to), he went with the goalie that won the last game. I would say that Gustavsson has only been slightly better than Reimer over the last little while. He should get the next start though.

Huh, brutal in Winnipeg???.  Slightly better than Reimer???  Gus earned the right to continue what he started in January.  If your looking at overall year to date stats, then please stop.  Did some number crunching in another thread and please tell me how Gus has been bad or deserved to have the number one spot snatched away from him:

Reimer is 1-3 since his two shutouts and his GAA is 4.27 along with save % of .858. Reimer has started 7 of the last 9 games and keeps being sent out there. Gus has been forced to mop up in blowouts a couple of games which does nothing for a goalies confidence coming in cold and being thrown to the wolves when a team has given up.  In the two starts Gus was good in one losing 2-1 and allowed 5 in another losing 5-1.  What do you expect from a goalie that has been blindsided like he has.  Gus has been given the raw end of the stick, sure he lost those 2 starts but this is a guy who had his starting job stolen from him after having it handed to him in January.  He was 7-3-1 with 3 shutouts and a GAA of 2.08 and a save  % of .926.  Do those seem like the type of numbers that would warrant  a goalie to lose his starting job? Gus had finally got the Leafs on the right track and a playoff spot was looking likely.  So Reimer comes in with a couple of shutouts and all that Gus had achieved is forgotten.

Some may think that I am a little relentless in my backing up of Gus but this is just maddening for me.  I wanted Gus right back in there after Reimer got that first shutout.  Ron Wilson should be fired for a lot things and the handling of the goaltending situation is blatantly ridiculous, I am sorry.

Your memory is as short as Wilson's.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, go watch the highlights of the Winnipeg game. That first goal was downright brutal. That's all I'm looking at. I never said Gustavsson doesn't deserve to be starting, I said he was brutal in Winnipeg, good in Calgary (despite letting in 5, not 4) and that, over the last little while (10 games), he hasn't been that much better than Reimer. They've only won 4 of their last 10 games. Reimer was in net for all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK_xK4qfs4&feature=related

Tim Thomas embarrassing goal, they happen to the best of them.  Gus was not bad in Winnipeg and I will take that kind of bad over what I have been watching lately.  Face the music buddy, Gus was shafted here.  I am not saying Gus is Belfour here but he gave us great goaltending and got us back in the hunt when things looked bad come the New Year.  Did you not acknowledge the stat line I listed. Don't  feed me the last 10 games BS, you come in cold when the team mails it in against the Habs and Nucks.    You suddenly see your starting job taken undeservedly when your playing the best goal of your career.  Gus was robbed and I hope he gets dealt out of this Ron Wilson circus act.

Over the last 10 games though, Gustavsson hasn't earned a single win. That stat matters. The Leafs need wins to get into the playoffs. Individual stats don't matter here. Regardless of what Gustavsson has done since January, he hasn't gotten it done recently. That's why he hasn't been given the net.

Wilson gave Reimer the chance to run with the net against Montreal and he crapped the bed. Gustavsson played well in Calgary and got lit up. How can you blame Wilson for going back to Reimer after that, or going back to him after he won in Edmonton?

Lets go back to January. Show me ONE time where Gustavsson got shafted? He played 11 of 12 games in January, including back to backs. Reimer only got in after Gustavsson lost 2 in a row and Reimer lost his game and didn't get in again until February 1st.  Gustavsson was in net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal 3rd period lead to Pittsburgh. He went to Reimer the next game and Reimer won 3 in a row. Where did Gustavsson show he deserved the net back?

Gustavsson has been the better goalie, but lately, not by much. That's all I'm saying. You can yell at me to get your point across all you want. The fact of the matter is Gustavsson hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net. I don't care what he did before. It's NOW that matters. If Gustavsson starts winning, he'll stay in the net. End of story.

 

[leafplasma]

I will say this for Gustavsson. He was pretty brutal in Winnipeg. I thought he played well against Calgary and didn't really let in a bad goal despite getting lit up for 4. Reimer on the other hand has just been atrocious save for the 2nd period in Edmonton.

In fairness to Wilson (who I don't like being fair to), he went with the goalie that won the last game. I would say that Gustavsson has only been slightly better than Reimer over the last little while. He should get the next start though.

Huh, brutal in Winnipeg???.  Slightly better than Reimer???  Gus earned the right to continue what he started in January.  If your looking at overall year to date stats, then please stop.  Did some number crunching in another thread and please tell me how Gus has been bad or deserved to have the number one spot snatched away from him:

Reimer is 1-3 since his two shutouts and his GAA is 4.27 along with save % of .858. Reimer has started 7 of the last 9 games and keeps being sent out there. Gus has been forced to mop up in blowouts a couple of games which does nothing for a goalies confidence coming in cold and being thrown to the wolves when a team has given up.  In the two starts Gus was good in one losing 2-1 and allowed 5 in another losing 5-1.  What do you expect from a goalie that has been blindsided like he has.  Gus has been given the raw end of the stick, sure he lost those 2 starts but this is a guy who had his starting job stolen from him after having it handed to him in January.  He was 7-3-1 with 3 shutouts and a GAA of 2.08 and a save  % of .926.  Do those seem like the type of numbers that would warrant  a goalie to lose his starting job? Gus had finally got the Leafs on the right track and a playoff spot was looking likely.  So Reimer comes in with a couple of shutouts and all that Gus had achieved is forgotten.

Some may think that I am a little relentless in my backing up of Gus but this is just maddening for me.  I wanted Gus right back in there after Reimer got that first shutout.  Ron Wilson should be fired for a lot things and the handling of the goaltending situation is blatantly ridiculous, I am sorry.

Your memory is as short as Wilson's.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, go watch the highlights of the Winnipeg game. That first goal was downright brutal. That's all I'm looking at. I never said Gustavsson doesn't deserve to be starting, I said he was brutal in Winnipeg, good in Calgary (despite letting in 5, not 4) and that, over the last little while (10 games), he hasn't been that much better than Reimer. They've only won 4 of their last 10 games. Reimer was in net for all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK_xK4qfs4&feature=related

Tim Thomas embarrassing goal, they happen to the best of them.  Gus was not bad in Winnipeg and I will take that kind of bad over what I have been watching lately.  Face the music buddy, Gus was shafted here.  I am not saying Gus is Belfour here but he gave us great goaltending and got us back in the hunt when things looked bad come the New Year.  Did you not acknowledge the stat line I listed. Don't  feed me the last 10 games BS, you come in cold when the team mails it in against the Habs and Nucks.    You suddenly see your starting job taken undeservedly when your playing the best goal of your career.  Gus was robbed and I hope he gets dealt out of this Ron Wilson circus act.

Over the last 10 games though, Gustavsson hasn't earned a single win. That stat matters. The Leafs need wins to get into the playoffs. Individual stats don't matter here. Regardless of what Gustavsson has done since January, he hasn't gotten it done recently. That's why he hasn't been given the net. Wilson gave Reimer the chance to run with the net against Montreal and he crapped the bed. Gustavsson played well in Calgary and got lit up. How can you blame Wilson for going back to Reimer after that, or going back to him after he won in Edmonton? Gustavsson was in net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal 3rd period lead to Pittsburgh. He went to Reimer the next day and he won 3 in a row. Where did Gustavsson show he deserved the net back after that?

Gustavsson has been the better goalie, but lately, not by much. That's all I'm saying. You can yell at me to get your point across all you want. The fact of the matter is Gustavsson hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net. I don't care what he did before. It's NOW that matters. If Gustavsson starts winning, he'll stay in the net. End of story.

Dude he has had 3 starts in the last 10 games that you mention, 2 starts in the last 9 games since Reimer has taken over.  0-2-1 in those 3 games sure but don't try to pin the recent Leaf futility on Gus, he hasn't seen the net. He has had 2 starts since the 2.08 and .926 numbers I speak of.  Gus hasn't looked bad lately, he hasn't played lately.  The 2 games you speak of in the last 9 you say yourself, he looked good against Cgy and he allowed 2 goals on 29 shots a .931 save % and yes I watched that game and yes Gus played well after that weak goal.  I am not yelling at you, I am incensed at RW and as for you I just don't see what your argument is  .

 

[TML fan]

I will say this for Gustavsson. He was pretty brutal in Winnipeg. I thought he played well against Calgary and didn't really let in a bad goal despite getting lit up for 4. Reimer on the other hand has just been atrocious save for the 2nd period in Edmonton.

In fairness to Wilson (who I don't like being fair to), he went with the goalie that won the last game. I would say that Gustavsson has only been slightly better than Reimer over the last little while. He should get the next start though.

Huh, brutal in Winnipeg???.  Slightly better than Reimer???  Gus earned the right to continue what he started in January.  If your looking at overall year to date stats, then please stop.  Did some number crunching in another thread and please tell me how Gus has been bad or deserved to have the number one spot snatched away from him:

Reimer is 1-3 since his two shutouts and his GAA is 4.27 along with save % of .858. Reimer has started 7 of the last 9 games and keeps being sent out there. Gus has been forced to mop up in blowouts a couple of games which does nothing for a goalies confidence coming in cold and being thrown to the wolves when a team has given up.  In the two starts Gus was good in one losing 2-1 and allowed 5 in another losing 5-1.  What do you expect from a goalie that has been blindsided like he has.  Gus has been given the raw end of the stick, sure he lost those 2 starts but this is a guy who had his starting job stolen from him after having it handed to him in January.  He was 7-3-1 with 3 shutouts and a GAA of 2.08 and a save  % of .926.  Do those seem like the type of numbers that would warrant  a goalie to lose his starting job? Gus had finally got the Leafs on the right track and a playoff spot was looking likely.  So Reimer comes in with a couple of shutouts and all that Gus had achieved is forgotten.

Some may think that I am a little relentless in my backing up of Gus but this is just maddening for me.  I wanted Gus right back in there after Reimer got that first shutout.  Ron Wilson should be fired for a lot things and the handling of the goaltending situation is blatantly ridiculous, I am sorry.

Your memory is as short as Wilson's.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, go watch the highlights of the Winnipeg game. That first goal was downright brutal. That's all I'm looking at. I never said Gustavsson doesn't deserve to be starting, I said he was brutal in Winnipeg, good in Calgary (despite letting in 5, not 4) and that, over the last little while (10 games), he hasn't been that much better than Reimer. They've only won 4 of their last 10 games. Reimer was in net for all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK_xK4qfs4&feature=related

Tim Thomas embarrassing goal, they happen to the best of them.  Gus was not bad in Winnipeg and I will take that kind of bad over what I have been watching lately.  Face the music buddy, Gus was shafted here.  I am not saying Gus is Belfour here but he gave us great goaltending and got us back in the hunt when things looked bad come the New Year.  Did you not acknowledge the stat line I listed. Don't  feed me the last 10 games BS, you come in cold when the team mails it in against the Habs and Nucks.    You suddenly see your starting job taken undeservedly when your playing the best goal of your career.  Gus was robbed and I hope he gets dealt out of this Ron Wilson circus act.

Over the last 10 games though, Gustavsson hasn't earned a single win. That stat matters. The Leafs need wins to get into the playoffs. Individual stats don't matter here. Regardless of what Gustavsson has done since January, he hasn't gotten it done recently. That's why he hasn't been given the net. Wilson gave Reimer the chance to run with the net against Montreal and he crapped the bed. Gustavsson played well in Calgary and got lit up. How can you blame Wilson for going back to Reimer after that, or going back to him after he won in Edmonton? Gustavsson was in net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal 3rd period lead to Pittsburgh. He went to Reimer the next day and he won 3 in a row. Where did Gustavsson show he deserved the net back after that?

Gustavsson has been the better goalie, but lately, not by much. That's all I'm saying. You can yell at me to get your point across all you want. The fact of the matter is Gustavsson hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net. I don't care what he did before. It's NOW that matters. If Gustavsson starts winning, he'll stay in the net. End of story.

Dude he has had 3 starts in the last 10 games that you mention, 2 starts in the last 9 games since Reimer has taken over.  0-2-1 in those 3 games sure but don't try to pin the recent Leaf futility on Gus, he hasn't seen the net. He has had 2 starts since the 2.08 and .926 numbers I speak of.  Gus hasn't looked bad lately, he hasn't played lately.  The 2 games you speak of in the last 9 you say yourself, he looked good against Cgy and he allowed 2 goals on 29 shots a .931 save % and yes I watched that game and yes Gus played well after that weak goal.  I am not yelling at you, I am incensed at RW and as for you I just don't see what your argument is  .

There is a reason that he's only had 3 starts in the last 10 games. He's lost all 3 of them. Like I said, how can you blame Wilson for going to Reimer after Gustavsson was in the net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal lead in the 3rd? How can you blame Wilson for sticking with Reimer after he won 3 in a row?

I think the argument I'm making is pretty clear. As brutal as Reimer has been, Gustavsson hasn't been markedly better. As I said, he hasn't done anything to unquestionably deserve the net. I can't fault the coach for going to Reimer after a game where Gustavsson played well but got lit up, and then sticking with Reimer after Reimer played so-so but won.

 

[leafplasma]

I will say this for Gustavsson. He was pretty brutal in Winnipeg. I thought he played well against Calgary and didn't really let in a bad goal despite getting lit up for 4. Reimer on the other hand has just been atrocious save for the 2nd period in Edmonton.

In fairness to Wilson (who I don't like being fair to), he went with the goalie that won the last game. I would say that Gustavsson has only been slightly better than Reimer over the last little while. He should get the next start though.

Huh, brutal in Winnipeg???.  Slightly better than Reimer???  Gus earned the right to continue what he started in January.  If your looking at overall year to date stats, then please stop.  Did some number crunching in another thread and please tell me how Gus has been bad or deserved to have the number one spot snatched away from him:

Reimer is 1-3 since his two shutouts and his GAA is 4.27 along with save % of .858. Reimer has started 7 of the last 9 games and keeps being sent out there. Gus has been forced to mop up in blowouts a couple of games which does nothing for a goalies confidence coming in cold and being thrown to the wolves when a team has given up.  In the two starts Gus was good in one losing 2-1 and allowed 5 in another losing 5-1.  What do you expect from a goalie that has been blindsided like he has.  Gus has been given the raw end of the stick, sure he lost those 2 starts but this is a guy who had his starting job stolen from him after having it handed to him in January.  He was 7-3-1 with 3 shutouts and a GAA of 2.08 and a save  % of .926.  Do those seem like the type of numbers that would warrant  a goalie to lose his starting job? Gus had finally got the Leafs on the right track and a playoff spot was looking likely.  So Reimer comes in with a couple of shutouts and all that Gus had achieved is forgotten.

Some may think that I am a little relentless in my backing up of Gus but this is just maddening for me.  I wanted Gus right back in there after Reimer got that first shutout.  Ron Wilson should be fired for a lot things and the handling of the goaltending situation is blatantly ridiculous, I am sorry.

Your memory is as short as Wilson's.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, go watch the highlights of the Winnipeg game. That first goal was downright brutal. That's all I'm looking at. I never said Gustavsson doesn't deserve to be starting, I said he was brutal in Winnipeg, good in Calgary (despite letting in 5, not 4) and that, over the last little while (10 games), he hasn't been that much better than Reimer. They've only won 4 of their last 10 games. Reimer was in net for all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK_xK4qfs4&feature=related

Tim Thomas embarrassing goal, they happen to the best of them.  Gus was not bad in Winnipeg and I will take that kind of bad over what I have been watching lately.  Face the music buddy, Gus was shafted here.  I am not saying Gus is Belfour here but he gave us great goaltending and got us back in the hunt when things looked bad come the New Year.  Did you not acknowledge the stat line I listed. Don't  feed me the last 10 games BS, you come in cold when the team mails it in against the Habs and Nucks.    You suddenly see your starting job taken undeservedly when your playing the best goal of your career.  Gus was robbed and I hope he gets dealt out of this Ron Wilson circus act.

Over the last 10 games though, Gustavsson hasn't earned a single win. That stat matters. The Leafs need wins to get into the playoffs. Individual stats don't matter here. Regardless of what Gustavsson has done since January, he hasn't gotten it done recently. That's why he hasn't been given the net. Wilson gave Reimer the chance to run with the net against Montreal and he crapped the bed. Gustavsson played well in Calgary and got lit up. How can you blame Wilson for going back to Reimer after that, or going back to him after he won in Edmonton? Gustavsson was in net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal 3rd period lead to Pittsburgh. He went to Reimer the next day and he won 3 in a row. Where did Gustavsson show he deserved the net back after that?

Gustavsson has been the better goalie, but lately, not by much. That's all I'm saying. You can yell at me to get your point across all you want. The fact of the matter is Gustavsson hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net. I don't care what he did before. It's NOW that matters. If Gustavsson starts winning, he'll stay in the net. End of story.

Dude he has had 3 starts in the last 10 games that you mention, 2 starts in the last 9 games since Reimer has taken over.  0-2-1 in those 3 games sure but don't try to pin the recent Leaf futility on Gus, he hasn't seen the net. He has had 2 starts since the 2.08 and .926 numbers I speak of.  Gus hasn't looked bad lately, he hasn't played lately.  The 2 games you speak of in the last 9 you say yourself, he looked good against Cgy and he allowed 2 goals on 29 shots a .931 save % and yes I watched that game and yes Gus played well after that weak goal.  I am not yelling at you, I am incensed at RW and as for you I just don't see what your argument is  .

There is a reason that he's only had 3 starts in the last 10 games. He's lost all 3 of them. Like I said, how can you blame Wilson for going to Reimer after Gustavsson was in the net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal lead in the 3rd? How can you blame Wilson for sticking with Reimer after he won 3 in a row?

I think the argument I'm making is pretty clear. As brutal as Reimer has been, Gustavsson hasn't been markedly better. As I said, he hasn't done anything to unquestionably deserve the net. I can't fault the coach for going to Reimer after a game where Gustavsson played well but got lit up, and then sticking with Reimer after Reimer played so-so but won.

Sure think what you must, that Pens game was a total melt down and the goals on Gus were lucky and you know that as much as anybody.  My point is things happen and after the month Gus had and then to get 3 spot starts spread out like they were is a slap in the face. I don't focus on two games where he allowed 4 and 5 goals, I focus on the games that he put the Leafs back in the hunt.

Seriously though think what you like, lets ride Reimer because as far as I am concerned the damage is done.  Gus likes the work and now he is rusty so who is to say he can get things going again before it is too late.  My belief is Gus didn't disappoint and if you think the odd bad game doesn't happen then you are being naive.  Gus isn't an elite goalie, I never made that claim and the Leafs are not an elite team so the chance of having an off game or two  is even more likely to happen.  I just think that he was doing a pretty damn good job, all things considered and deserved a better fate. 

 

[TML fan]

I will say this for Gustavsson. He was pretty brutal in Winnipeg. I thought he played well against Calgary and didn't really let in a bad goal despite getting lit up for 4. Reimer on the other hand has just been atrocious save for the 2nd period in Edmonton.

In fairness to Wilson (who I don't like being fair to), he went with the goalie that won the last game. I would say that Gustavsson has only been slightly better than Reimer over the last little while. He should get the next start though.

Huh, brutal in Winnipeg???.  Slightly better than Reimer???  Gus earned the right to continue what he started in January.  If your looking at overall year to date stats, then please stop.  Did some number crunching in another thread and please tell me how Gus has been bad or deserved to have the number one spot snatched away from him:

Reimer is 1-3 since his two shutouts and his GAA is 4.27 along with save % of .858. Reimer has started 7 of the last 9 games and keeps being sent out there. Gus has been forced to mop up in blowouts a couple of games which does nothing for a goalies confidence coming in cold and being thrown to the wolves when a team has given up.  In the two starts Gus was good in one losing 2-1 and allowed 5 in another losing 5-1.  What do you expect from a goalie that has been blindsided like he has.  Gus has been given the raw end of the stick, sure he lost those 2 starts but this is a guy who had his starting job stolen from him after having it handed to him in January.  He was 7-3-1 with 3 shutouts and a GAA of 2.08 and a save  % of .926.  Do those seem like the type of numbers that would warrant  a goalie to lose his starting job? Gus had finally got the Leafs on the right track and a playoff spot was looking likely.  So Reimer comes in with a couple of shutouts and all that Gus had achieved is forgotten.

Some may think that I am a little relentless in my backing up of Gus but this is just maddening for me.  I wanted Gus right back in there after Reimer got that first shutout.  Ron Wilson should be fired for a lot things and the handling of the goaltending situation is blatantly ridiculous, I am sorry.

Your memory is as short as Wilson's.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, go watch the highlights of the Winnipeg game. That first goal was downright brutal. That's all I'm looking at. I never said Gustavsson doesn't deserve to be starting, I said he was brutal in Winnipeg, good in Calgary (despite letting in 5, not 4) and that, over the last little while (10 games), he hasn't been that much better than Reimer. They've only won 4 of their last 10 games. Reimer was in net for all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpK_xK4qfs4&feature=related

Tim Thomas embarrassing goal, they happen to the best of them.  Gus was not bad in Winnipeg and I will take that kind of bad over what I have been watching lately.  Face the music buddy, Gus was shafted here.  I am not saying Gus is Belfour here but he gave us great goaltending and got us back in the hunt when things looked bad come the New Year.  Did you not acknowledge the stat line I listed. Don't  feed me the last 10 games BS, you come in cold when the team mails it in against the Habs and Nucks.    You suddenly see your starting job taken undeservedly when your playing the best goal of your career.  Gus was robbed and I hope he gets dealt out of this Ron Wilson circus act.

Over the last 10 games though, Gustavsson hasn't earned a single win. That stat matters. The Leafs need wins to get into the playoffs. Individual stats don't matter here. Regardless of what Gustavsson has done since January, he hasn't gotten it done recently. That's why he hasn't been given the net. Wilson gave Reimer the chance to run with the net against Montreal and he crapped the bed. Gustavsson played well in Calgary and got lit up. How can you blame Wilson for going back to Reimer after that, or going back to him after he won in Edmonton? Gustavsson was in net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal 3rd period lead to Pittsburgh. He went to Reimer the next day and he won 3 in a row. Where did Gustavsson show he deserved the net back after that?

Gustavsson has been the better goalie, but lately, not by much. That's all I'm saying. You can yell at me to get your point across all you want. The fact of the matter is Gustavsson hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net. I don't care what he did before. It's NOW that matters. If Gustavsson starts winning, he'll stay in the net. End of story.

Dude he has had 3 starts in the last 10 games that you mention, 2 starts in the last 9 games since Reimer has taken over.  0-2-1 in those 3 games sure but don't try to pin the recent Leaf futility on Gus, he hasn't seen the net. He has had 2 starts since the 2.08 and .926 numbers I speak of.  Gus hasn't looked bad lately, he hasn't played lately.  The 2 games you speak of in the last 9 you say yourself, he looked good against Cgy and he allowed 2 goals on 29 shots a .931 save % and yes I watched that game and yes Gus played well after that weak goal.  I am not yelling at you, I am incensed at RW and as for you I just don't see what your argument is  .

There is a reason that he's only had 3 starts in the last 10 games. He's lost all 3 of them. Like I said, how can you blame Wilson for going to Reimer after Gustavsson was in the net when the Leafs blew a 3 goal lead in the 3rd? How can you blame Wilson for sticking with Reimer after he won 3 in a row?

I think the argument I'm making is pretty clear. As brutal as Reimer has been, Gustavsson hasn't been markedly better. As I said, he hasn't done anything to unquestionably deserve the net. I can't fault the coach for going to Reimer after a game where Gustavsson played well but got lit up, and then sticking with Reimer after Reimer played so-so but won.

Sure think what you must, that Pens game was a total melt down and the goals on Gus were lucky and you know that as much as anybody.  My point is things happen and after the month Gus had and then to get 3 spot starts spread out like they were is a slap in the face. I don't focus on two games where he allowed 4 and 5 goals, I focus on the games that he put the Leafs back in the hunt.

Seriously though think what you like, lets ride Reimer because as far as I am concerned the damage is done.  Gus likes the work and now he is rusty so who is to say he can get things going again before it is too late.  My belief is Gus didn't disappoint and if you think the odd bad game doesn't happen then you are being naive.  Gus isn't an elite goalie, I never made that claim and the Leafs are not an elite team so the chance of having an off game or two  is even more likely to happen.  I just think that he was doing a pretty damn good job, all things considered and deserved a better fate.

So really, you're arguing that Gustavsson should have been given the net regardless. I can't agree with that. Reimer won 3 in a row. Nobody was complaining about that. I suppose after the loss in Winnipeg, Wilson could have given Gustavsson the benefit of the doubt and gone back to him, but he gave it to Reimer instead, because Reimer had a 3 game winning streak.

Reimer has only gotten the net once after a loss this month. Gustavsson was given the same opportunity in January. He ran with it. Reimer hasn't. The only difference now is that Gustavsson hasn't come in and taken the net back. And realistically, even though I thought Gustavsson played well in Calgary, I wouldn't have gone back to him after a 5-1 loss either. Reimer won the next game, so what's the problem?

 

[leafplasma]

So really, you're arguing that Gustavsson should have been given the net regardless.[/b] I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Reimer won 3 in a row. Nobody was complaining about that.

Reimer has only gotten the net once after a loss this month. Gustavsson was given the same opportunity in January. He ran with it. Reimer hasn't. The only difference now is that Gustavsson hasn't come in and taken the net back. That is on Gustavsson, not on Wilson.

Yes a .700 win percentage would dictate that.  Reimer would never have seen the ice had it not been for back to backs.  IMHO, I thought Gus had won the starting job and was playing the best hockey of his career up until Reimer won those 3 in a row.  It wasn't even a situation where your starter had gone cold.  I think naturally that when your starter is playing well he should be sent right back out there no matter what your backup comes in and does when the team is going well.  The Leafs were playing well but RW was trying to rekindle last seasons magic once Reimer came in and got that first SO and he paid no attention to how well the team was doing at the time or how well Gus had been playing. 

 

[TML fan]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

 

[Bonsixx]

They're both terrible! 

 

[leafplasma]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Please keep in mind that I don't dislike Reimer.  I think he is a great kid and still only 23.  He may have been rushed and too much pressure was placed on his young shoulders.  Gus is 27 and that much further along in his maturity and my feeling is that he should be given the number 1 spot and Reimer should go to the Marlies for the rest of the season and hopefully get his development back on track.  Reimer is playing every bit like maybe you would expect him to at this stage in his career had we not had witnessed his heroics last season.

 

[L K]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Well part of the problem with win percentage over small sample size is that it is something that changes wildly.  Reimer has played 7 out of 9.  If Gus' played the next 5 games and won 4 of them, he would have a better winning percentage but it would be equally irresponsible to declare him as the better player over that 5 game stretch because he simply won more games when he just played more games. 

And while Reimer played very well last year, we are talking about a calendar year ago on that play.  I certainly wouldn't be clamouring for Tim Connolly to be getting more ice-time because in November he was PPG player.

Coming out of the all-star break, Gustavsson was the one who was performing.  That meant he should have been getting the lionshare of the starts.  That never happened and now we have the problem where 'win and you start' leads the team into problems because one bad showing by the team in front of a goalie can sink them for a period of time and leave them cold.  Yes, you need to win games and that is the end result, but I don't come away from Reimer getting two starts against a horrid Edmonton team (both of which he played pretty mediocre in) and the Leafs were pretty much scoring at will and think, yep, Reimer was why we won those games.  The team basically won independent (not in spite of) of their goaltending simply because Edmonton can't play defense and gave up way too many scoring chances for the Leafs. 

 

[TML fan]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Please keep in mind that I don't dislike Reimer.  I think he is a great kid and still only 23.  He may have been rushed and too much pressure was placed on his young shoulders.  Gus is 27 and that much further along in his maturity and my feeling is that he should be given the number 1 spot and Reimer should go to the Marlies for the rest of the season and hopefully get his development back on track.  Reimer is playing every bit like maybe you would expect him to at this stage in his career had we not had witnessed his heroics last season.

I understand your feelings. I just completely disagree with them.

 

[leafplasma]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Please keep in mind that I don't dislike Reimer.  I think he is a great kid and still only 23.  He may have been rushed and too much pressure was placed on his young shoulders.  Gus is 27 and that much further along in his maturity and my feeling is that he should be given the number 1 spot and Reimer should go to the Marlies for the rest of the season and hopefully get his development back on track.  Reimer is playing every bit like maybe you would expect him to at this stage in his career had we not had witnessed his heroics last season.

I understand your feelings. I just completely disagree with them.

No worries, I think at least Ron Wilson agrees with you.

 

[TML fan]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Well part of the problem with win percentage over small sample size is that it is something that changes wildly.  Reimer has played 7 out of 9.  If Gus' played the next 5 games and won 4 of them, he would have a better winning percentage but it would be equally irresponsible to declare him as the better player over that 5 game stretch because he simply won more games when he just played more games. 

And while Reimer played very well last year, we are talking about a calendar year ago on that play.  I certainly wouldn't be clamouring for Tim Connolly to be getting more ice-time because in November he was PPG player.

Coming out of the all-star break, Gustavsson was the one who was performing.  That meant he should have been getting the lionshare of the starts.  That never happened and now we have the problem where 'win and you start' leads the team into problems because one bad showing by the team in front of a goalie can sink them for a period of time and leave them cold.  Yes, you need to win games and that is the end result, but I don't come away from Reimer getting two starts against a horrid Edmonton team (both of which he played pretty mediocre in) and the Leafs were pretty much scoring at will and think, yep, Reimer was why we won those games.  The team basically won independent (not in spite of) of their goaltending simply because Edmonton can't play defense and gave up way too many scoring chances for the Leafs.

But is there a reason why Reimer has played more games? Gustavsson played 11 of 12 games in January. Wilson took him out after a tough loss. Maybe he wasn't happy with his play? Maybe he thought Gustavsson needed a break? Who knows? The point is, Reimer came in and won 3 straight games. He went back to Gustavsson on the 2nd night of back to backs and he lost, so he went back to Reimer, because Reimer was on a winning streak. What is so wrong with that?

Reimer then lost in Philly, but it was a close game so my guess is Wilson gave Reimer the benefit of the doubt and put him back in against Montreal. Reimer, along with the whole team, crapped the bed so Wilson went right back to Gustavsson. Wilson did the same thing in January after back to back losses to Buffalo and the Rangers. Reimer went in and lost his game, so he went right back to Gustavsson. That seems like pretty fair treatment to me.

I'm not insinuating that Reimer was the reason we won those games. The simple fact is, he was in net when the team won. That's why he stayed in the net. How many coaches are going to switch goalies after back to back shutouts? How many coaches are going to stick with a guy who lost 5-1 going in back-to-back games? Reimer was getting results. Whether they were direct or indirect is irrelevant.

The part of the argument I am challenging is the idea that Wilson is shafting Gustavsson. That's simply not true. Gustavsson hasn't played because Reimer was getting wins. It's as simple as that. Nobody was complaining about Reimer being in the net when the Leafs won 3 in a row.

 

[Zee]

Hold on. You can't proclaim Gustavsson as the clear cut #1 based on 1 month of play, and simply disregard nearly 2 months of work put in by Reimer last season. If you want to go that route, then I could argue that it's entirely possible that the only reason Gustavsson got the net is because Reimer went down.

That doesn't mean I think that Gustavsson hasn't been the better goalie this season. I think that he hasn't done anything lately to unquestionably deserve the net over Reimer. Wilson hasn't handled the goaltending situation any differently than he has when Gustavsson was going well. The fact of the matter is that, this month, neither goalie has played particularly well. Maybe Reimer has been a little worse in his losses, but he's got 4 wins in the bank. Reimer's win % this month is .571. Gustavsson's is .000. Who am I going to go with in the majority of the games? All Gustavsson has to do is win, and this conversation is over.

Well part of the problem with win percentage over small sample size is that it is something that changes wildly.  Reimer has played 7 out of 9.  If Gus' played the next 5 games and won 4 of them, he would have a better winning percentage but it would be equally irresponsible to declare him as the better player over that 5 game stretch because he simply won more games when he just played more games. 

And while Reimer played very well last year, we are talking about a calendar year ago on that play.  I certainly wouldn't be clamouring for Tim Connolly to be getting more ice-time because in November he was PPG player.

Coming out of the all-star break, Gustavsson was the one who was performing.  That meant he should have been getting the lionshare of the starts.  That never happened and now we have the problem where 'win and you start' leads the team into problems because one bad showing by the team in front of a goalie can sink them for a period of time and leave them cold.  Yes, you need to win games and that is the end result, but I don't come away from Reimer getting two starts against a horrid Edmonton team (both of which he played pretty mediocre in) and the Leafs were pretty much scoring at will and think, yep, Reimer was why we won those games.  The team basically won independent (not in spite of) of their goaltending simply because Edmonton can't play defense and gave up way too many scoring chances for the Leafs.

But is there a reason why Reimer has played more games? Gustavsson played 11 of 12 games in January. Wilson took him out after a tough loss. Maybe he wasn't happy with his play? Maybe he thought Gustavsson needed a break? Who knows? The point is, Reimer came in and won 3 straight games. He went back to Gustavsson on the 2nd night of back to backs and he lost, so he went back to Reimer, because Reimer was on a winning streak. What is so wrong with that?

Reimer then lost in Philly, but it was a close game so my guess is Wilson gave Reimer the benefit of the doubt and put him back in against Montreal. Reimer, along with the whole team, crapped the bed so Wilson went right back to Gustavsson. Wilson did the same thing in January after back to back losses to Buffalo and the Rangers. Reimer went in and lost his game, so he went right back to Gustavsson. That seems like pretty fair treatment to me.

I'm not insinuating that Reimer was the reason we won those games. The simple fact is, he was in net when the team won. That's why he stayed in the net. How many coaches are going to switch goalies after back to back shutouts? How many coaches are going to stick with a guy who lost 5-1 going in back-to-back games? Reimer was getting results. Whether they were direct or indirect is irrelevant.

The part of the argument I am challenging is the idea that Wilson is shafting Gustavsson. That's simply not true. Gustavsson hasn't played because Reimer was getting wins. It's as simple as that. Nobody was complaining about Reimer being in the net when the Leafs won 3 in a row.

Based on him comments after the Vancouver game it still seems Wilson is giving Reimer "the benefit of the doubt". It's been a long while since Reimer won 2 in a row. Gustavsson should start the next game based on Reimer's poor play of late, but Wilson will probably play Reimer.

 

[TML fan]

I agree Gustavsson should get the next start. Probably the next two.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Gustvasson gets the start tomorrow. Not really a surprise.

 

[Zee]

Gustvasson gets the start tomorrow. Not really a surprise.

I can't believe Wilson named Gustavsson the starter an entire day before the game. Finally some sanity in the coaching?

 

[Bonsixx]

Gustvasson gets the start tomorrow. Not really a surprise.

I can't believe Wilson named Gustavsson the starter an entire day before the game. Finally some sanity in the coaching?

The mass head explosion in the media if he turns around and starts Reimer would be hilarious enough that I hope that's actually what he does.

 

[TML fan]

Whoever wins the next game should stay in for the rest of the year. They're both shitty...it doesnt matter anyway.