Goaltending conundrum

[bustaheims]

Exavtly. So if they move Luongo (who appears to want to end his relationship with the 'nucks) then no chance they move Schneider too. Really, as long as the priorty is to move Luongo, they don't even listen to offers for Schneider.

If they're not listening to offers, then Gillis (or whoever may be in charge) needs to be fired. There's a very real chance that the offers they'll get for Schneider will be significantly better than those they receive for Luongo, and, their priority should always be about making moves that improve the team the most.

 

[Bonsixx]

Luongo weighs in on Sundin not waiving his no-trade clause:

"I don't want to be one of those guys who is going to stand in the way of anything," Luongo said. "I always want to put the team ahead of me first and I don't want to be one of those selfish guys."

 

[maplesyrup]

If they're not listening to offers, then Gillis (or whoever may be in charge) needs to be fired. There's a very real chance that the offers they'll get for Schneider will be significantly better than those they receive for Luongo, and, their priority should always be about making moves that improve the team the most.

But they have to decide they want to keep Luongo first... and I'm certain they haven't done that yet.

 

[bustaheims]

But they have to decide they want to keep Luongo first... and I'm certain they haven't done that yet.

No, they really don't. They just need to decide they want to do what's best for the team instead of accepting a player's trade request or cow-towing to the fans - and, if that means taking a superior offer for Schneider instead of a poor one for Luongo, then so be it.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Tim Thomas will be avaialble. Maybe a better short term option

 

[maplesyrup]

No, they really don't. They just need to decide they want to do what's best for the team instead of accepting a player's trade request or cow-towing to the fans - and, if that means taking a superior offer for Schneider instead of a poor one for Luongo, then so be it.

And have they? If the answer is "no" then they obviously don't move either of them at this point. If the answer is "yes" then all I'm saying is I suspect their leaning towards keeping Schneider and therefore, not entering trade discussions for him.

 

[bustaheims]

And have they? If the answer is "no" then they obviously don't move either of them at this point. If the answer is "yes" then all I'm saying is I suspect their leaning towards keeping Schneider and therefore, not entering trade discussions for him.

My guess is no, because doing what's best for the team will ultimately boil down to how the Schneider contract situation plays out and the types of trade offers they receive for each player. There's way too much to be resolved for them to have made that decision at this point. I'm sure they'd prefer to retain Schneider, but, really, not entering into trade discussions that involve him is short-sighted and poor asset management.

 

[maplesyrup]

Tim Thomas will be avaialble. Maybe a better short term option

I'm fairly certain Thomas' days in Boston are over. Though I'm not sure Toronto is a fit. I'm not sure why. I like that he has only one year left and he could obviously be good for Reimer and Scrivens and the rest of them but for some odd reason, I don't see it.

 

[cw]

There's no question that Luongo is one of the top 30 starting goalies in the NHL - and well above the bottom of those 30. He's played behind a good Canucks team and so his most recent numbers should be considered with that in mind. But his performance has been kind of spotty.

If the Leafs got him without giving up much of their NHL roster, they may well be a playoff team.

But for me, here's the thing: I'd like the Leafs to win a Cup. I wonder under the new CBA how their longer term chances would be with a spotty 33 yr goalie signed up with a $5.3 mil/yr cap hit for the next 10 years that they may not be able to escape under the new CBA deal with waivers.

It's a deal that could work out but if it doesn't, and there's much more than a slight chance it won't with the unpredictability of the position and a 33yr old goalie, it could make Mike Komisarek's deal look much better.

There are goalies like Elliott, Holtby, Smith, Quick, Thomas, Rinne, Halak, Backstrom, etc arriving with little pedigree and yet some frequency to the NHL.

This is a young team. I'd be patient. I wouldn't give Vancouver a 7th rounder for Luongo. Sadly, with the pressure to deliver he's under, Burke may well get him but it is not something I would do.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm leaning your way, cw. I've advocated taking some risks this summer but this one strikes me as being just too big.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I like the idea of Tim Thomas for a year or two, and I think he would relish the chance to help Toronto start beating Boston.  I wonder, though, if he would be willing to reside in a Canadian city.

 

[maplesyrup]

I like the idea of Tim Thomas for a year or two, and I think he would relish the chance to help Toronto start beating Boston.  I wonder, though, if he would be willing to reside in a Canadian city.

I'm thinking Detroit maybe ? Michigan connection and all... Who knows? 

 

[Deebo]

I'm leaning your way, cw. I've advocated taking some risks this summer but this one strikes me as being just too big.

You advocated the risk of trading Kadri for the hope that Parise would sign a contract days before hitting the free market, but this is too big a risk.

I don't get your logic sometimes, Sarge!

 

[maplesyrup]

You advocated the risk of trading Kadri for the hope that Parise would sign a contract days before hitting the free market, but this is too big a risk.

I don't get your logic sometimes, Sarge!

In hindsight Deebs, that probably wasn't such a good idea either. Though I do think having Luongo as a potential anchor on this franchise for several years is a much bigger risk than losing Kadri for nothing.

 

[maplesyrup]

Man, if we do acquire Luongo, how long can Leafs Nation hold their breath? I mean, it could work out but man 'o man... Fingers crossed, no wammies, etc, etc.  for sure.

 

[bustaheims]

mirtle: Mike Gillis on Vancouver radio is denying the reports on Luongo: "We decided we're going to talk in a few days."

 

[Corn Flake]

You advocated the risk of trading Kadri for the hope that Parise would sign a contract days before hitting the free market, but this is too big a risk.

I think you do it if you get permission to speak with Parise's agent before the deal happens to at least float the question of whether he would sign before July 1 and what range they are looking for.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm trying to convince myself that if Luongo does end up in Toronto, and with the way things ended in Vancouver, another big hockey market, that it would fuel a whole new level of motivation in Luongo to prove all the doubters wrong that he could succeed with lofty expectations placed on his shoulders. 

What's making it so hard for me to is that I don't believe Luongo has the mental fortitude to do so and would more likely wilt. 

I'm so torn.  I'd love to have him and do believe he'd solidify our goaltending for years, but if we're thinking grand scheme of Stanley Cup, is he going to be able to deliver?  A big part of me says yes, but I say so with the shadow of doubt looming over.

 

[Bonsixx]

I'm all for the Leafs getting Luongo. I'm sick of terrible goaltending and Luongo always seemed better in situations where he faced a lot of shots, maybe he could thrive here.

Even if he doesn't "thrive", I'm fairly confident he'll continue to be among the better goaltenders in the NHL for the next four or five years at least. As long as the asking price isn't too high, sign me up.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think you do it if you get permission to speak with Parise's agent before the deal happens to at least float the question of whether he would sign before July 1 and what range they are looking for.

Yeah, I'm certain I suggested that too but like I said, now I just don't know if I'd part with Kadri on a chance we'd get nothing back. Like you suggest, I'd want to be sure.