Grabovski Bought Out

[ZBBM]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

 

[drummond]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

I can't believe that I actually miss Burke right now

 

[drummond]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

If nothing else, this is inexcusable.

 

[moon111]

Old news to reflect on: Montreal Canadiens traded Mikhail Grabovski to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Greg Pateryn and a 2nd round selection in 2010.

Now I'm ho-hum about them signing any of the UFA centers, or worried about who they trade to get someone else.  Gardiner?  Reilly?  Kadri?

 

[ZBBM]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

I can't believe that I actually miss Burke right now

I can't go as far as CTB to say Nonis/RC are the 2nd worst in the league, but otherwise I'm with you guys on this one.

 

[TML fan]

It's unfortunate that this is how it had to end for Grabovski in Toronto, but he just didn't fit in anymore. Wish him the best wherever he ends up. He's a good player. He will fit in well somewhere. I see him in New Jersey for some reason.

 

[Jalili]

Jonas Siegel

A taste of Grabovski on Carlyle: "Don?t put me on a [expletive] third line and then [expletive] play [me] six minutes in a game."

Gotta love the guy.

To be honest, most of the vanilla players we've had over the years would just take a buyout in stride and move on.

 

[Frank E]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

 

[Bender]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

If nothing else, this is inexcusable.

I find it hard to believe Nonis wouldn't exercise a trade if one was clearly available.

 

[drummond]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

If his poor performance is the result of him being misused, that?s not something he really has control over.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm going to wait to see the full scope of what this move means before I really judge Nonis for it. He could, in theory, still come out ahead and have this move look less insane. Unless he really has some magic in him, though, he's not going to come out of this one smelling like roses.

All in all, not a great birthday present, Dave. You can do better.

 

[ZBBM]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

He played as well as someone relegated to a checking line and given very few minutes could be expected to.

And seriously -- you think there was NO trade market for this guy?  I can't believe that, not for a minute.

 

[drummond]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

If nothing else, this is inexcusable.

I find it hard to believe Nonis wouldn't exercise a trade if one was clearly available.

I for one find it hard to believe that there wasn?t market for Grabbo. Whatever, 2nd round pick or prospect, just to get at least something.

 

[Andy007]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

He played as well as someone relegated to a checking line and given very few minutes could be expected to.

And seriously -- you think there was NO trade market for this guy?  I can't believe that, not for a minute.

I don't get this. You're suggesting there was a trade market but that Nonis elected to not only give the guy away for nothing but to also pay 2/3 of his salary instead. I'm not sure how that makes any smidgen of sense.

 

[Bender]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

He played as well as someone relegated to a checking line and given very few minutes could be expected to.

And seriously -- you think there was NO trade market for this guy?  I can't believe that, not for a minute.

So you're basically saying Nonis is an idiot. Only an idiot wouldn't make a trade to get rid of a player they were going to buy out anyway.

I find it harder to believe that Nonis is an idiot than there was a market to trade Grabbo at that cost and term.

 

[Highlander]

I loved Grabbo..sorry to see him go...he played hard all the time and some team just got themselves an excellent player...just didnt fit the new scene and was making to many $$$.  With the Loafs it is never a dull moment.

 

[bustaheims]

And seriously -- you think there was NO trade market for this guy?  I can't believe that, not for a minute.

No, that much, I buy. Teams are looking to shed salary right now, not add to it, and, that makes Grabovski difficult to move even if he had a normal season of production last season. Combine the salary issues with poor production and a recurring digestive issue and I can definitely see how he might not have any value on the trade market right now for anything other than an equivalent contract for the Leafs to buyout - and, in that case, why not just cut out the middle man?

 

[ZBBM]

Way to ruin my holiday, Nonis.

What a supremely stupid move.  Liles (who I happen to think is OK FWIW) would have been the guy to buy out because of Gardiner and Rielly coming on.

I just hope they aren't building the team according to whether or not Carlyle "likes" a player because you never know how long he'll be the coach.

You know that these are professionals right?  This is a performance based business, and Carlyle will be judged on his record.  Secondly, if Nonis was such a Grabbo proponent, he could have kept him and told Carlyle to "deal with it."

That's exactly my point.  Nonis should have told Carlyle just that, if indeed Carlyle was drumming to get rid of him.  And if Carlyle didn't get along with Grabovski or whatever, then the both of them should just deal with it. 

Grabovski was put into a checking role this year -- everybody knows that.  He did what he was asked to do, so in terms of performance he delivered, as far as I'm concerned, even though he wasn't being used to best advantage (IMO).

Let's see: played his heart out, did what he was asked, never complained in public (until today of course).  Yep, that's a buyout candidate for you.

I don't care who Nonis brings in to replace Grabs, the fact remains he gave up a valuable player for nothing.  At least he could have tried to trade him.

There are a few things wrong with this:

That Nonis bought him out suggests that Nonis didn't think enough of him either.

Secondly, he played lousy this year, both offensively and defensively.

Thirdly, if he was worth anything to anyone, Nonis would have traded him instead of buying him out.  He obviously wasn't worth anything to anyone at this point in time.

He played as well as someone relegated to a checking line and given very few minutes could be expected to.

And seriously -- you think there was NO trade market for this guy?  I can't believe that, not for a minute.

So you're basically saying Nonis is an idiot. Only an idiot wouldn't make a trade to get rid of a player they were going to buy out anyway.

I find it harder to believe that Nonis is an idiot than there was a market to trade Grabbo at that cost and term.

Well yes, on this move that's exactly what I'm saying.  8)

As I suggested in the other thread, to think Grabovski has an untradeable contract is to confuse his with Luongo's.  Grabs' deal is high, but it's not insanely high.

 

[Sudafederov]

Love Grabbo.

Some tidbits from listening to TSN today.

Grabbo had 3 points total in home games this year. (Naylor)

The Leafs tried to trade Grabovski and were willing to retain salary and had no takers. (Le Brun I think)

TSN aside, player / coach relationship breakdowns seem to follow Carlyle around. After watching him closely in Anaheim, he burned a lot of bridges with the players and the media. He'd be wise not to revert to his old ways otherwise this team will go south in a hurry.

 

[maplesyrup]

Love Grabbo.

Some tidbits from listening to TSN today.

Grabbo had 3 points total in home games this year. (Naylor)

The Leafs tried to trade Grabovski and were willing to retain salary and had no takers. (Le Brun I think)

TSN aside, player / coach relationship breakdowns seem to follow Carlyle around. After watching him closely in Anaheim, he burned a lot of bridges with the players and the media. He'd be wise not to revert to his old ways otherwise this team will go south in a hurry.

Well, there you go...