Grabovski - Under the Watchful Eye Of An Angel

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I don't think Grabo's value has fallen so drastically that you couldn't just trade him straight up. Regardless, any asset the Leafs would get coming back in such a trade would have to be more valuable than the cap space they'd be eating. If you're of the opinion that the Leafs would have to include money into any Grabo trade than it's hard for me to see a balance where the Leafs would eat enough of Grabo's salary to make another team want to throw in a considerable asset for him but still not have that cap space be the greater asset in which case a buyout would be preferable.

All that said though I don't think they should trade Grabo.

I agree with you on his value, however, I'm not sure about holding onto him. I guess it would depend on what is available to us and what Nonis is actually able to do with the center position.

 

[bustaheims]

Evening chaps.

Just wondering about whether this would be possible if management decided to grt rid of Grabovski.

Rather than a buy out, would there be any possibility of trading Grabbo and cap space for a prospect/pick? So effectively the Leafs retain half of his salary for a few years but get some sort of asset back?

I'd say the odds of Grabovski not being a Leaf next season are extremely extremely thin.

 

[Kin]

I agree with you on his value, however, I'm not sure about holding onto him. I guess it would depend on what is available to us and what Nonis is actually able to do with the center position.

I really think that trading him could only really be justified by believing that Grabo's play this season was really a case of him simply not being able to produce anymore. Other than thinking he's finished I just can't see the wisdom in trading a guy as good as he's been at his absolute lowest value.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I really think that trading him could only really be justified by believing that Grabo's play this season was really a case of him simply not being able to produce anymore. Other than thinking he's finished I just can't see the wisdom in trading a guy as good as he's been at his absolute lowest value.

I see your point and I in no way am in the trade Grabo out of town club, but if we landed say Lecavalier, I wouldn't want to pay Grabo that kind of coin to play on the third line. IMO, Kadri can take the 2nd line center role and then Lecavalier's spot, when he's ready.

Like I said, it would fully depend on what Nonis is able to do. I have no problems with the hope that Grabo bounces back this season, it's a decent bet that he does.

 

[Kin]

I see your point and I in no way am in the trade Grabo out of town club, but if we landed say Lecavalier, I wouldn't want to pay Grabo that kind of coin to play on the third line.

But given their cap space unless there's another free agent they would need to spend that money on immediately I don't really think that paying Grabovski a lot of money for another year matters. Seriously, maybe you have some sort of aesthetic or philosophical issue with a guy getting a lot of money on the third line but I wouldn't value that over maximizing assets.

Seriously, the Leafs have a ton of cap space right now. They don't need to make those hard decisions.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

But given their cap space unless there's another free agent they would need to spend that money on immediately I don't really think that paying Grabovski a lot of money for another year matters. Seriously, maybe you have some sort of aesthetic or philosophical issue with a guy getting a lot of money on the third line but I wouldn't value that over maximizing assets.

Seriously, the Leafs have a ton of cap space right now. They don't need to make those hard decisions.

Well, in my senario, it would depend on how much LeCavalier, Franson and Kadri get on their contracts. Add in the cap space to fill out the roster, how much will the Leafs really have left, you know, when they also overpay for Clarkson?

 

[pnjunction]

I just can't see the wisdom in trading a guy as good as he's been at his absolute lowest value.

This is where I stand, as disappointing as his season (and playoffs) was I think you've got to give him a chance to bounce back.  His production last season was half of what he averaged over the previous four seasons.

If his play doesn't improve and trade value drops even further there's the amnesty buyout after next year.  Otherwise given how thin the team is at center I wouldn't rush him out the door yet unless a replacement for him (and Bozak too) is lined up.

 

[bustaheims]

how much will the Leafs really have left, you know, when they also overpay for Clarkson?

Let's hope that they don't - and, honestly, I don't expect that they will.

 

[Kin]

Well, in my senario, it would depend on how much LeCavalier, Franson and Kadri get on their contracts. Add in the cap space to fill out the roster, how much will the Leafs really have left, you know, when they also overpay for Clarkson?

Even then. The Leafs could give Lecavalier 6 and Franson/Kadri 5 million each and probably still fill out the roster and I don't think any of them will get that.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Let's hope that they don't - and, honestly, I don't expect that they will.

Well, it was more of a joke. I don't think Clarkson is going to be overpaid by an absurd amount, but I guess I could be wrong.

Even then. The Leafs could give Lecavalier 6 and Franson/Kadri 5 million each and probably still fill out the roster and I don't think any of them will get that.

Don't the Leafs only have 20 million right now? So 16 million out and Bernier to sign, I don't think you'd have too much left over, what am I missing?

 

[bustaheims]

Well, it was more of a joke. I don't think Clarkson is going to be overpaid by an absurd amount, but I guess I could be wrong.

Oh, I expect he will be - it just won't be by the Leafs.

 

[Kin]

Don't the Leafs only have 20 million right now? So 16 million out and Bernier to sign, I don't think you'd have too much left over, what am I missing?

Komisarek's buyout.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Komisarek's buyout.

We don't eat some of that? Or is it right off the books?

 

[Kin]

We don't eat some of that? Or is it right off the books?

Nope. Right gone.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Nope. Right gone.

Oh, okay, thanks. This is because of the "compliance" piece of these buyouts I suppose? I see the appeal in this now, I originally thought only a smaller portion was kept on the cap.

 

[slapshot]

If Grabbo stays around, I my best scenario would be find a 1st line center, Kadri 2, Bozak 3 at reasonable money and move Grabbo to wing. He's no real centreman anyway.

 

[Champ Kind]

If Grabbo stays around, I my best scenario would be find a 1st line center, Kadri 2, Bozak 3 at reasonable money and move Grabbo to wing. He's no real centreman anyway.

In my mind, Grabovski's game would suffer tremedously if he had to play wing.