bustaheims
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Bender said:
In a way, we all won.
Idiocracy
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In a way, we all won.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1328514432461365249
Amazing. Just amazing.
Amazing. Just amazing.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328852354049957888
Christ this can't end soon enough.
Christ this can't end soon enough.
Kin
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I can't say much for America because that Country seems pretty irreparably screwed up because of a reliance on good faith on the part of Republicans but I really hope people in Canada are paying attention to what's going on there. I know we like to pretend there's a world of difference between there and here but talk to any Conservative who believes their views represent "the majority" of Canadians despite the overwhelming evidence or even try to get them to acknowledge the democratic problem with trying to win an election with 35% of the vote and you'll see there's really not that much difference in movement Conservatism around the world. It's a principle of minority rule and deciding whose votes should count based on whether or not they're "real" Americans or Canadians or whatever.
WAYNEINIONA
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The Conservatives are still looking for a leader that can take them there.
L K
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Bender said:
Monica Palmer was willing to sign off originally if they excluded all votes from Detroit. She is a Q Anon idiot.
William Hartman, He is a huge racist running for a political position On the platform of getting Trump reelected.
Biden can talk about unifying the right and left but how you come away from what is happening post election and think there is something to unify is getting harder to believe. It looks more like gasoline and matches are a more appropriate strategy
Kin
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Bender said:
It's a nice thought, that these people could be shamed into doing the right thing by a passionate and righteous speech, but it's almost certainly not the case. For starters, the guy giving the speech you posted said himself that remarks from black members of the community, who would be disproportionately disenfranchised, probably had more of an impact but either way these people are entirely shameless.
What's far more likely is that someone told them one of two truths or both:
1) If they refused to certify the results they'd almost certainly be sued, lose the case and be ordered to certify the results under threat of contempt of court
2) The State would just step in and certify the results anyway.
Ultimately it was an impotent and useless gesture that didn't do anything other than give the President something to tweet about and will simply be used as yet another piece of "evidence" that already delusional Republicans will point to as how the results of the election are somehow in dispute.
Nik said:
This feels like this is going to be something that happens with more frequency moving forward for presidential elections. One side will accuse the other side of rigging the election. Those accusations were leveled at Trump in the last election (which were probably true), and now it is going the other way (although it seems baseless). You also had this issue in the Gore/Bush election. The two sides just keep moving further apart because the craziest people have the loudest voices.
Kin
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I really don't think you can "both sides" this one. The "craziest" people don't have the loudest voice in the Democratic party. They just nominated and elected a pair of moderates as President and Vice-President and they really don't have any real progressives in positions of power.
You also can't lump in very real and legitimate claims of race-based voter suppression with entirely fictional claims of widespread voter fraud.
bustaheims
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Just wanted to chime in on this - there weren't really any serious claims that Trump rigged the last election or that he/his team committed any sort of extensive voter fraud, etc. (there were some, but none that really stuck moving forward). For the 2016 election, it was mostly about Trump being more than simply aware of foreign parties trying to influence the election (and, in fact, in some cases, actively promoting it) through fake news, misleading information, hacking into government agencies, etc., and as Nik pointed out, race-based voter suppression (which largely pre-dates Trump, and, as long as certain corners of the GOP retain power, will live on well after his presidency) - and those claims were supported by evidence and intelligence agency investigations.
The Trump team, on the other hand, is making tons of baseless claims and spurious accusations - and losing virtually every legal challenge due to lack of evidence, dubious interpretations of events, unreliable "witnesses," and invalid legal arguments.
It's more like one side is saying "We don't like the results, but we mostly accept them being accurate in terms of who won. However, something fishy is going on here, and we'd like to fix it so that we don't have to worry about the security of our elections," while the other side is saying "We don't believe we lost, you must have cheated."
OldTimeHockey
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Nik said:
I do think that the same can be said for both sides of the coin. I think what's important to remember is most of us reside in the middle somewhere..yes, on opposite sides of the coin, but in the middle mostly.
As I've stated here a few times, I'm traditionally a Conservative voter. That doesn't necessarily mean I support Trump types or Ford types. Just as I'm sure there are Liberal voters who don't support Wynne or Trudeau.
https://twitter.com/vanitaguptacr/status/1329187528369377281
Why are these lifetime appointments?
Why are these lifetime appointments?
Kin
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OldTimeHockey said:
Feels like the pretty obvious flaw in that position is the idea that the very middle of the road Centrists in the Liberal party represent the "other side of the coin" from right-wing populism. There are actual progressive politics in Canada and whatever you might think of Wynne or Trudeau personally, there's really nothing they've done politically that represents any sort of departure from trying to govern from the centre.
That said, just in terms of competence, Centrists are absolutely lapping what the Conservatives are serving up. And that's with me thinking Trudeau is a dunce.
Kin
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They know they have an uphill battle winning an honest election so they're hoping to ensure minority rule through the courts. It's shameless, dishonest and shows an open disdain for the will of the people and will probably lead to real problems for America as an institution going forward.
Phileas Fogg
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Nik said:
It's funny that all of these conservative voters were effectively motivated by fears of burning and looting of a few walmarts, but seem to have no issues with it being done to the country by federal leadership in the 2 months remaining.
OldTimeHockey
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Nik said:
I suppose the coin comparison is a little too black and white.
My only real point is that there's far lefts and far rights. Far rights definitely seem to be more damaging to society as a whole. I will agree with that. It doesn't mean that the far left is good for the country either. It also doesn't mean that someone that traditionally votes conservative is on the far right. Ford is an embarrassment.