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Idiocracy

L K said:
Bender said:
herman said:
herman said:
Every new piece of information that comes out about this makes it even worse than before.
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Holy forkin' shirtballs it's even worse than the previous worse.
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I'm afraid to ask...
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Police stood around and instead of engaging in an active shooter scenario sat outside - yep
Police got into confrontations including tasing, handcuffing and pepper spraying distressed parents while standing around outside - yep
Police were breaching the building to try and retrieve their own children without dealing with the situation - yep.
More children died while the police did next to nothing.....you betcha.

Yeah this keeps getting worse.
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I think we need to be careful painting this as a police response failure at this point...the guy walked through an unlocked school door with a machine gun.
 
Frank E said:
L K said:
Bender said:
herman said:
herman said:
Every new piece of information that comes out about this makes it even worse than before.
Click to expand...

Holy forkin' shirtballs it's even worse than the previous worse.
Click to expand...

I'm afraid to ask...
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Police stood around and instead of engaging in an active shooter scenario sat outside - yep
Police got into confrontations including tasing, handcuffing and pepper spraying distressed parents while standing around outside - yep
Police were breaching the building to try and retrieve their own children without dealing with the situation - yep.
More children died while the police did next to nothing.....you betcha.

Yeah this keeps getting worse.
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I think we need to be careful painting this as a police response failure at this point...the guy walked through an unlocked school door with a machine gun.
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Well yesterday they claimed two officers + the security resource officer engaged the shooter in gunfire before he entered the building.  Today they are claiming they didn't engage with him until well after he was in the building. 

I think there are enough burning flags here to be concerned about the response.
 
Frank E said:
I think we need to be careful painting this as a police response failure at this point...the guy walked through an unlocked school door with a machine gun.
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While I think in these situations it's generally best to get all the information before stating anything definitively(other than persistant truths like it should be harder to buy the sorts of guns that do this) I don't think there's any real dispute to the idea that the Police failed in a pretty significant way here. As this article states, ever since Columbine police have been trained to attempt to engage and subdue an active shooter in a school rather than wait it out. As per Law Enforcement's official story of the event right now(althoug that keeps changing) they didn't engage but instead retreated from gunfire and attempted to make contact and negotiate.
 
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/man-fatally-shot-by-police-near-toronto-elementary-school-after-reportedly-walking-streets-with-rifle-1.5919803
 
OK, it seems as though it's a pretty terrible police response to an active shooter.

My concern though, and I didn't articulate it well to LK, is that this turns into a police lack of training/funding issue rather than a "how ITF do they let a kid get a machine gun?" issue.  It's probably both, but I'm of the belief that this is much more the latter. 

I've got kids in and around the age of these completely innocent victims, so maybe that affects my opinion of this.
 
Can we rename this thread to something else? The Donald doesn't need anymore free publicity. I hate the man so much that it hurts a little just seeing his name.
 
Frank E said:
OK, it seems as though it's a pretty terrible police response to an active shooter.

My concern though, and I didn't articulate it well to LK, is that this turns into a police lack of training/funding issue rather than a "how ITF do they let a kid get a machine gun?" issue.  It's probably both, but I'm of the belief that this is much more the latter. 

I've got kids in and around the age of these completely innocent victims, so maybe that affects my opinion of this.
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I mean for me it?s a police board that was 40% of the towns budget and they stood around and did nothing because in typical fashion they parade around LARPing rather than actually protecting anyone.  Their response during and after the fact has been disgraceful

It?s that they were making claims that they felt there were no more victims while children were still calling 9-1-1 from the building. 

It?s that they were actively hearing gunshots from inside the building while standing around. 

The gun control issue is an issue.  But the militarized police who don?t actually do their job is a far bigger one. 
 
https://twitter.com/cbsdfw/status/1530222513887883265
This is getting to satire levels now, and it?s just absolutely horrid.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/cbsdfw/status/1530222513887883265
This is getting to satire levels now, and it?s just absolutely horrid.
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America has become the worst caricature of itself.

Then again, I wouldn't be shocked if this headline were from the trucker convoy...
 
Feels like the common thread between this incident and the convoy is that, despite the billions and billions of dollars that get pumped into police budgets every year, people wildly overestimate what it is that money gets them in terms of willingness/ability to control chaotic situations.

Which really genuinely isn't meant as an insult to anyone doing that job. I'm sure it's a very difficult job with a lot of good people doing it, I just think we've got an insane level of evidence telling us right now that we really need to look into different ways of addressing problems.
 
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