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Idiocracy

bustaheims said:
Honestly, there isn't a single issue Trump has raised that hasn't been brought up in previous elections. The difference is in the specific "policies" he's talked about enacting - most of which are poorly thought out, completely impractical, or downright racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/etc.

True, but in a way that sort of misses what's so effective/terrifying about Trump. At the core of campaign and appeal are issues that haven't featured so prominently in national politics for a long time. For one, the racist appeals and baiting of polite culture are so much more direct, unvarnished. Secondly, the fixation with trade. To say he's just a crank offering stupid solutions  for stupid people is to underestimate him. Which seems dangerous.
 
I mean, he's just a straight up, pathological liar.

Relying on a prepared script and trying to read from a teleprompter, Trump relied on a combination of demagoguery, ignorance, and lies to present a platform that assaults American values in ways that should be disqualifying.

The falsehoods in his remarks came so often and so quickly, it was enough to push professional fact-checkers into retirement. Trump said the Orlando shooter was ?born in Afghan,? for example, which is both untrue ? the gunman was born in New York, not far from where Trump was born ? and bizarre given that ?Afghan? is not a place.

Then again, for a presidential candidate who believes people born in Indiana are ?Mexican,? perhaps this wasn?t too surprising.

But this was just the tip of a mendacious iceberg. Trump lied about the number of refugees coming to the United States. He lied about the vetting process for refugees. He lied about NATO?s counter-terrorism efforts. He lied about Clinton?s approach to gun reforms. He lied about the Obama administration?s policy on intelligence gathering.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-massacre-trump-speech-takes-2016-race-scary-direction
 
Good article that attempts to refute Trumps claims and his purported platform on the subject of immigrants/Muslims/etc:

Two major issues in the current presidential campaign are immigration and terrorism. Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, has proposed some solutions. To keep Mexican immigrants out, build a wall. To keep Islamic terrorists out, ban all Muslims from entering the U.S.

Forget that neither of these will ever happen. The wall would be too complex, expensive, and ultimately ineffective. Banning Muslims is unconstitutional. Even if these were allowed, would they keep us safe? Whom should we be excluding from our country to stop attacks by terrorists and others?

In reality, several studies using a variety of methodologies have shown that immigrants are less likely than native-born Americans to commit crimes. Most undocumented people don?t commit crimes, since they want to keep a low profile. But that fact won?t gain Trump any voters. He has to insist that undocumented immigrants are rapists and murders, in order to keep his followers in a state of constant anger.

How about all those terrorist attacks? Aren?t Americans being massacred at record rates by foreign-backed terrorists? Since 9/11, there have been ten terrorist incidents by so-called jihadists, including the Boston bombing, San Bernardino, and Orlando. A total of 95 people were killed, with many injured.

During that same time period, there were over 30 terrorist incidents perpetrated by American born, non-immigrant, non-Muslim white men, with over 100 people killed. There are far too many to list here, but a few examples follow.



http://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/lahontanvalley/22463247-113/murder-mayhem-and-immigrants
 
The orange clown is now claiming that natural born citizens are a threat because their parents are immigrants.  Coming from the clown who's wife is foreign and his Mom is foreign.
 
L K said:
The orange clown is now claiming that natural born citizens are a threat because their parents are immigrants.  Coming from the clown who's wife is foreign and his Mom is foreign.

Overgrown Oompa Loompas say the darndest things.
 
Does anyone else think that Trump became a candidate for the Republican party in order to pave the way for Hillary to easily make it to the White House?  ???

He doesn't strike me as a serious candidate IMHO.

Also, I thought Trump and the Clintons were really good friends.
 
Al14 said:
Does anyone else think that Trump became a candidate for the Republican party in order to pave the way for Hillary to easily make it to the White House?  ???

He doesn't strike me as a serious candidate IMHO.

Also, I thought Trump and the Clintons were really good friends.

Try reading the thread.
 
Al14 said:
Does anyone else think that Trump became a candidate for the Republican party in order to pave the way for Hillary to easily make it to the White House?  ???

He doesn't strike me as a serious candidate IMHO.

Also, I thought Trump and the Clintons were really good friends.

Would someone with an ego as big as Trump's torpedo his reputation like this for a friend?
 
bustaheims said:
Al14 said:
Does anyone else think that Trump became a candidate for the Republican party in order to pave the way for Hillary to easily make it to the White House?  ???

He doesn't strike me as a serious candidate IMHO.

Also, I thought Trump and the Clintons were really good friends.

Would someone with an ego as big as Trump's torpedo his reputation like this for a friend?

I don't believe in this conspiracy theory but I think I do believe that he ran for President just for the brand exposure and wasn't running with the intention to win.  Then he started winning and its morphed the original intent.
 
L K said:
I don't believe in this conspiracy theory but I think I do believe that he ran for President just for the brand exposure and wasn't running with the intention to win.  Then he started winning and its morphed the original intent.

Oh, that I totally believe. I think a big part of why he ran is that, since he's threatened to so many times in the past, no one believed him - and he doesn't like when people don't believe him. I don't think he or his staffers legitimately thought he'd make out of early primaries - not that he didn't do enough damage to his reputation there. He clearly didn't have a real plan when he decided to do this.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
I don't believe in this conspiracy theory but I think I do believe that he ran for President just for the brand exposure and wasn't running with the intention to win.  Then he started winning and its morphed the original intent.

Oh, that I totally believe. I think a big part of why he ran is that, since he's threatened to so many times in the past, no one believed him - and he doesn't like when people don't believe him. I don't think he or his staffers legitimately thought he'd make out of early primaries - not that he didn't do enough damage to his reputation there. He clearly didn't have a real plan when he decided to do this.

It's basically been confirmed actually - his former strategist outlined that he originally wanted to be a "protest" vote.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector
 
louisstamos said:
bustaheims said:
L K said:
I don't believe in this conspiracy theory but I think I do believe that he ran for President just for the brand exposure and wasn't running with the intention to win.  Then he started winning and its morphed the original intent.

Oh, that I totally believe. I think a big part of why he ran is that, since he's threatened to so many times in the past, no one believed him - and he doesn't like when people don't believe him. I don't think he or his staffers legitimately thought he'd make out of early primaries - not that he didn't do enough damage to his reputation there. He clearly didn't have a real plan when he decided to do this.

It's basically been confirmed actually - his former strategist outlined that he originally wanted to be a "protest" vote.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

Jeez. Even with the ironic/scare quotes, "'protest' vote" feels like an injustice to all the actual protest candidates who ran doomed campaigns in order to protest or advance, you know, something. Like an issue. Or policy. Or something other than the candidate's own ego.

There was also an article in the NY Times a few months back that traced his run, and his more general desire to be taken seriously in the world of politics, to his humiliation at the Correspondents Dinner in 2011.

Found it: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html?_r=0

Still, the tougher and probably more important nut to crack isn't what motivates Trump but what's motivated so many folks to vote for him.
 
mr grieves said:
Still, the tougher and probably more important nut to crack isn't what motivates Trump but what's motivated so many folks to vote for him.

Eh. It's not really that many all things considered. It was the biggest number of Republican primary votes ever but he still didn't get 50% of the primary votes so he's still someone that more Republican primary voters voted against instead of for.

As to the General each party could run a decapitated head on a stick that would poll at roughly 80-85% of their party's membership. Trump's polling numbers among Republicans are relatively bad for a Presidential candidate.

The last two national polls have Hillary up by a bigger margin than Obama beat McCain. There's obviously a long way to go but until he gets a lot of votes in a national election, I wouldn't account his support among Republicans to anything but tribalism.
 
Hillary's campaign is building a ground game, sinking money into analytics and concentrating their efforts in the crucial swing states. Trump's campaign is hoping people like Trump and show up to the polls and wasting money trying to flip New York:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/inside-the-swing-state-playbooks-224353

Also, a just released poll of Clinton vs. Trump vs. Johnson vs. Stein has Trump below 30%. 55% of Americans, that's all Americans across any racial or age divide, are saying they'd never vote for him.
 
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They're sitting on golden thrones ffs
 
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