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Jets @ Leafs - Mar. 11th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590

Nik said:
It's always been this way but there really does seem to be a subset of fans who think the standard of being a good goalie in the NHL is stopping every single goal that could possibly be stopped as well as a reasonable percentage of the ones that can't.
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You are correct. Which is why I compared those fans to the dads in the corner eating popcorn and screaming at every one on the ice to be more good yet not being able to skate themselves.

The issue is comparing your goalie to the very best in the league(Vasilevskiy) or to a goalie that's standing on his head(Hellebuyck). That's not realistic.

That's like saying, "Hey William Nylander, why can't you be more like Connor McDavid?"

It's not going to happen. Not consistently. Why should we expect the same from a goalie? I mean, if you're expecting a Vaselivskiy type goaltender It will be pretty difficult to find. There's only one of them out there.
 
bustaheims said:
The issues in on the PK. The entire unit has been bad, and Andersen is not helping with it at all.
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Leaving aside the overreaction to a handful of people claiming Andersen let in one bad goal 3 days ago for a minute... has the entire PK unit been bad? They're currently basically in a 3-way tie for the best CA/60 in the league while a man down, and their xGA/60 is 4th best.

HockeyViz's heatmap for the PK also paints a pretty good picture:

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CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
The issues in on the PK. The entire unit has been bad, and Andersen is not helping with it at all.
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Leaving aside the overreaction to a handful of people claiming Andersen let in one bad goal 3 days ago for a minute... has the entire PK unit been bad? They're currently basically in a 3-way tie for the best CA/60 in the league while a man down, and their xGA/60 is 4th best.

HockeyViz's heatmap for the PK also paints a pretty good picture:

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So is this a matter of our goalies and defenders not doing a good job of preventing screen shots on the PK?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
The issues in on the PK. The entire unit has been bad, and Andersen is not helping with it at all.
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Leaving aside the overreaction to a handful of people claiming Andersen let in one bad goal 3 days ago for a minute... has the entire PK unit been bad? They're currently basically in a 3-way tie for the best CA/60 in the league while a man down, and their xGA/60 is 4th best.
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Per naturalstattrick, they don't measure up as well when looking at scoring chances and high dangers chances against/60, while the average distance for goals allowed is near the bottom of the league. They're not terrible, just middle of the pack. But, they certainly haven't looked good on too many occasions.

I think L K is right when he asks if it's a matter of not preventing screens. They aren't allowing a lot of shots from in tight, but they're not doing a great job preventing the other team from getting in Freddy's line of sight or preventing deflections from the high-slot.
 
bustaheims said:
Per naturalstattrick, they don't measure up as well when looking at scoring chances and high dangers chances against/60, while the average distance for goals allowed is near the bottom of the league. They're not terrible, just middle of the pack. But, they certainly haven't looked good on too many occasions.
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Scoring chances is at 13th best, high danger changes 10th best. So I mean yeah not AS good as their CA/60 and xGA/60 but everything combined still makes it seem like their PK is at least in the top half of the league. At least.

Can't find team-based average shot distances but for just Freddy he's 31st among 49 goalies to play at least 40 minutes on the PK.

There's certainly a lot of possible explanations for why those metrics all look good but their PK% is still just 20th. Some of those stats might not be perfect, the Leafs might be allowing more screened shots or more deflected shots than other teams. Sure, all feasible. Another explanation at least in the realm of possibility is that Andersen is just struggling there. It'll be another thing to watch for as Campbell gets more games, since his (and also Hutch's) PK save percentage is much better (albeit in very limited minutes so might not mean anything).
 
L K said:
Veeti Miettenen was voted rookie of the year in his college conference and was put on the second line all star team.  Not bad for a 6th round pick
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Our drafting has been much better, so glad Hunter was jettisoned.
 
Rob said:
Britishbulldog said:
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L K said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1370049397808058371
More like Fallywood, amirite
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Someone kept giving players awful nicknames on the site a few years ago.  Was it you?

On a side note, if Jimmy Vesey falls in a forest, does anyone hear it?
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No it was me (in rather sheepish tones) :o
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I remember that but didn't want to call you out.  :)
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That was the scotch and valium talking.  :D
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Valium is great but Xanax is better, much better. 
 
Nik said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/tlndc/status/1370202603888517123
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What a great play by all three guys on the ice. Marner to get the puck up ice to Rielly, Rielly's harder than it looked pass to Matthews and, well, you can collect your spare room key at the front desk Mr. Hellebuyck.
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I just watched that again about 6 or 7 times in a row.  Every skater was gassed at that point.  The Jets had a gimme 3 on 2 while Rielly was out of the play but they had nothing left ... watch them try to leave the zone after Rielly gets the puck.  And you're right, his pass wasn't that easy especially when you are out of juice.  Matthews wasn't in much better shape except he still had enough to pull off the magic.

And I'll say it again: disgraceful reffing.  I don't care if you are trying your best not to let an OT penalty decide it, by not calling the slash you gave WPG a 3 on 2.  Just an embarrassing performance by both refs.
 
Hoo boy imagine the adjectives used around here if Winnipeg scored while Rielly was getting another stick!

I'll bet the ref in the lower corner was thanking his god that Matthews scored.
 
Frank E said:
Hoo boy imagine the adjectives used around here if Winnipeg scored while Rielly was getting another stick!

I'll bet the ref in the lower corner was thanking his god that Matthews scored.
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I actually think he did the right thing because, aside from tackling someone, you're pretty much useless 3 on 3 without a stick.
 
Yep.  The only thing he would have been able to do is shot block and no offense to Rielly but that isn?t his strong suit.  A Muzzin or Brodie I might say stay down low and just gum things up for Matthews/Marner to puck retrieve but Rielly getting a new stick was reasonable
 
L K said:
Yep.  The only thing he would have been able to do is shot block and no offense to Rielly but that isn?t his strong suit.  A Muzzin or Brodie I might say stay down low and just gum things up for Matthews/Marner to puck retrieve but Rielly getting a new stick was reasonable
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I remember thinking it was a mistake for Rielly to grab a new stick as opposed to just straight up changing with another defenceman. His replacement would have been able to get back into the defensive zone quicker on the line change and he was near the end of his shift anyway. Didn't have as much of a problem with that decision 10 seconds later though.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
Yep.  The only thing he would have been able to do is shot block and no offense to Rielly but that isn?t his strong suit.  A Muzzin or Brodie I might say stay down low and just gum things up for Matthews/Marner to puck retrieve but Rielly getting a new stick was reasonable
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I remember thinking it was a mistake for Rielly to grab a new stick as opposed to just straight up changing with another defenceman. His replacement would have been able to get back into the defensive zone quicker on the line change and he was near the end of his shift anyway. Didn't have as much of a problem with that decision 10 seconds later though.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - to me it was even borderline selfish. Another player could have been on the ice and in the play faster than Reilly getting a stick at the end of a long 3 on 3 shift. Made zero sense.

But hey, since it worked out, it's water under the bridge I guess
 
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