Kadri Misses Meeting - Sent Home

[TML fan]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

Being a Sens fan i just deduced you were into garbage.

 

[Joe S.]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

 

[Madferret]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

Being a Sens fan i just deduced you were into garbage.

What a burn! Well done!

 

[Madferret]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

Just so I get this straight: personal attacks are cool but saying anything disparaging against the Leafs isn't and makes you a troll -  that's the message here right? Should put that up somewhere in the banner.

 

[TML fan]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

Just so I get this straight: personal attacks are cool but saying anything disparaging against the Leafs isn't and makes you a troll -  that's the message here right? Should put that up somewhere in the banner.

Showing up and trolling makes you a troll.

 

[Madferret]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

Just so I get this straight: personal attacks are cool but saying anything disparaging against the Leafs isn't and makes you a troll -  that's the message here right? Should put that up somewhere in the banner.

Showing up and trolling makes you a troll.

I agreed with L K on the ridiculousness of the media tell me again how that makes me a troll?

 

[Joe S.]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

Just so I get this straight: personal attacks are cool but saying anything disparaging against the Leafs isn't and makes you a troll -  that's the message here right? Should put that up somewhere in the banner.

How did I attack you personally?

 

[TML fan]

Theyre just giving the people what they want. Not just Leafs fans but people who love to hate them, like yourself. Maybe if YOU stop click click clicking they'll write about some teams nobody cares about.

You're kidding yourself if you think I read any of that garbage

You sure take enough time to complain about it.

I know more about your trolling opinion on the Leafs than anything else.

Just so I get this straight: personal attacks are cool but saying anything disparaging against the Leafs isn't and makes you a troll -  that's the message here right? Should put that up somewhere in the banner.

Showing up and trolling makes you a troll.

I agreed with L K on the ridiculousness of the media tell me again how that makes me a troll?

Go back and read what you wrote and tell me again how you're not a troll.

 

[cw]

Wilson: ''I never felt that Nazem ever listened to me''
http://www.tsn.ca/video/wilson-i-never-felt-that-nazem-ever-listened-to-me-1.230332

Coach?s Corner: Nazem Kadri will leave in two years
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coachs-corner-nazem-kadri-will-leave-two-years/

This is going to be a painful process ...

Ron Wilson really needs to go away.  I don't really care for the guys who come out of the woodwork an start retroactively backtalking.  Much less a guy who openly admits an axe to grind and references a 49 game stint with the Leafs on his proof that Nazem didn't listen to him.  Wilson's a blowhard.  I don't care for Cherry in the least because he rarely makes sense and is usually wrong when you can understand what he says, but his constant "I don't kick things when they are down" (spoiler alert, he does) would be some good advice for some of the idiots running the broadcast  and sports media.  Where was Wilson before the collapse.  Coming out after the fact, openly admitting a bias and then spouting off stuff in a vague enough way to be impossible to dispute but also not providing anything concrete is useless click-baiting. 

I've lost interest in the Leafs and it took a hell of a lot to get me to that point.  But I lost interest in the Toronto sports media long before that.  Adding more of this useless garbage only pushes me farther away from that.  I have been cable free for a few years now and use NHL Gamecenter with a US account to watch Leafs games.  I don't watch TSN.  I don't go to their website anymore, I'm completely done with the shoddy "journalism" around the Leafs. 

I'm happy to read blogs and catch the stories through those and the message board but I'm just tired of not only real negativity but contrived stories to keep people who have long since become irrelevant in the sporting world relevant.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/3/14/8214559/in-defence-of-nazem-kadri

Tried to watch some last night. I still have cable (though getting close to getting rid of a bunch of it). Had to change the channel - they were so bad, I couldn't stand to watch it. Flipped back to a round table at intermission. Elliotte Friedman I have time for - there are still a few I don't mind. But Kypreos and Cox along with Stroumboulopoulos (on hockey)? I just don't have time for them. Couldn't even watch the intermission. Sad. I did watch some of the Calgary game later to get "my fix".

I feel a little like Ron Wilson with some of my posts. I'm kicking them from the bleachers when they're down. I can handle inept but I can't handle the lack of effort and bundled with that, a set of contracts that are going to be a real burden for some years to come. It's as bleak a time as I can recall and I've been watching for over 50 years. I don't feel like being silent about that. I'm close to angry. So if the media tees off on them a little, it isn't bothering me as much because I think there's some folks who deserve it.

 

[TML fan]

I don't think the contracts will be such a burden. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Leafs will be able to move a couple of them at least, at the draft or before the start of next year. Also they SHOULD be a lower payroll team for the next few years. They'll need some big contracts to reach the cap floor.

 

[Madferret]

I don't think the contracts will be such a burden. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Leafs will be able to move a couple of them at least, at the draft or before the start of next year. Also they SHOULD be a lower payroll team for the next few years. They'll need some big contracts to reach the cap floor.

That doesn't really make any sense - on one hand you're saying they'll easily move the big contracts that no team realistically is going to go near with a pole and then on the other hand you're saying they'll need some big contracts to get to the cap floor.

 

[cw]

I don't think the contracts will be such a burden. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Leafs will be able to move a couple of them at least, at the draft or before the start of next year. Also they SHOULD be a lower payroll team for the next few years. They'll need some big contracts to reach the cap floor.

Right now, in my opinion (and in the opinion of others), the only way Kessel and Phaneuf (for example) return anything in terms of notable talent is if they eat dollars off their contracts. Often, a rebuild gets jump started by flipping the older talent into younger prospects. These contracts constrain that from happening as well as it might have.

The likely effect is it will lengthen the time it will take the Leafs to recover from this mess. It's depressing. We've stepped into multiple piles of crap and some of it is going to stick to our shoes for some time to come.

 

[TML fan]

I don't think the contracts will be such a burden. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Leafs will be able to move a couple of them at least, at the draft or before the start of next year. Also they SHOULD be a lower payroll team for the next few years. They'll need some big contracts to reach the cap floor.

That doesn't really make any sense - on one hand you're saying they'll easily move the big contracts that no team realistically is going to go near with a pole and then on the other hand you're saying they'll need some big contracts to get to the cap floor.

I said they'll move SOME (a couple) and I didn't say easily.

 

[TML fan]

I don't think the contracts will be such a burden. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Leafs will be able to move a couple of them at least, at the draft or before the start of next year. Also they SHOULD be a lower payroll team for the next few years. They'll need some big contracts to reach the cap floor.

Right now, in my opinion (and in the opinion of others), the only way Kessel and Phaneuf (for example) return anything in terms of notable talent is if they eat dollars off their contracts. Often, a rebuild gets jump started by flipping the older talent into younger prospects. These contracts constrain that from happening as well as it might have.

The likely effect is it will lengthen the time it will take the Leafs to recover from this mess. It's depressing. We've stepped into multiple piles of crap and some of it is going to stick to our shoes for some time to come.

So what? Like I said they'll probably need money to reach the cap floor. And even if they don't, it's not like you get a bonus for not spending to the cap. The only advantage to not doing that as a rebuilding team is to be able to eat bad contracts, but isn't that what we're trying to avoid?
They're not trying to improve the team right away. Realistically the Leafs will be rebuilding for another decade or so. They really don't need the cap space now or any time soon.

 

[Chris]

I think the contracts (both cap hit and length) and recent performance will negatively impact potential trade returns. Kessel should net the best return as his contract isn't that bad for a guy who is consistently top 5 in league scoring. The question other GMs will have to answer is, is his performance the second half of this season evidence of a downward trend or major character flaw that could negatively impact their teams, or is it just an aberration.

Phaneuf, Bozak and Lupul, if traded, will probably net less than we would hope as compared to if they had better contracts. Management will have to decide if the returns are worth it or if some of these players should be kept around.

I say blow it up, get what you can, and don't look back. Accept that you've made a bunch of bad deals, clean up the mess, and start over.

 

[TML fan]

I say blow it up, get what you can, and don't look back. Accept that you've made a bunch of bad deals, clean up the mess, and start over.

I say that sounds like a darn good idea.

 

[Highlander]

There are a few key pieces here and I believe Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner, JVR, Holland, Komorav are players we move forward with. I think Phil should be given a chance to reset next year. Phanuef, Polak, Lupul, Bernier, Bozak  should all go. Keep Riemer to anchor the kid goalies into the league.

 

[moon111]

There is limited players available.  Some of these Leafs might not be first choice, but they might be some teams ONLY choice if they want above average players.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Wilson: ''I never felt that Nazem ever listened to me''
http://www.tsn.ca/video/wilson-i-never-felt-that-nazem-ever-listened-to-me-1.230332

Coach?s Corner: Nazem Kadri will leave in two years
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coachs-corner-nazem-kadri-will-leave-two-years/

This is going to be a painful process ...

Ron Wilson really needs to go away.  I don't really care for the guys who come out of the woodwork an start retroactively backtalking.  Much less a guy who openly admits an axe to grind and references a 49 game stint with the Leafs on his proof that Nazem didn't listen to him.  Wilson's a blowhard.  I don't care for Cherry in the least because he rarely makes sense and is usually wrong when you can understand what he says, but his constant "I don't kick things when they are down" (spoiler alert, he does) would be some good advice for some of the idiots running the broadcast  and sports media.  Where was Wilson before the collapse.  Coming out after the fact, openly admitting a bias and then spouting off stuff in a vague enough way to be impossible to dispute but also not providing anything concrete is useless click-baiting. 

I've lost interest in the Leafs and it took a hell of a lot to get me to that point.  But I lost interest in the Toronto sports media long before that.  Adding more of this useless garbage only pushes me farther away from that.  I have been cable free for a few years now and use NHL Gamecenter with a US account to watch Leafs games.  I don't watch TSN.  I don't go to their website anymore, I'm completely done with the shoddy "journalism" around the Leafs. 

I'm happy to read blogs and catch the stories through those and the message board but I'm just tired of not only real negativity but contrived stories to keep people who have long since become irrelevant in the sporting world relevant.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/3/14/8214559/in-defence-of-nazem-kadri

Tried to watch some last night. I still have cable (though getting close to getting rid of a bunch of it). Had to change the channel - they were so bad, I couldn't stand to watch it. Flipped back to a round table at intermission. Elliotte Friedman I have time for - there are still a few I don't mind. But Kypreos and Cox along with Stroumboulopoulos (on hockey)? I just don't have time for them. Couldn't even watch the intermission. Sad. I did watch some of the Calgary game later to get "my fix".

I feel a little like Ron Wilson with some of my posts. I'm kicking them from the bleachers when they're down. I can handle inept but I can't handle the lack of effort and bundled with that, a set of contracts that are going to be a real burden for some years to come. It's as bleak a time as I can recall and I've been watching for over 50 years. I don't feel like being silent about that. I'm close to angry. So if the media tees off on them a little, it isn't bothering me as much because I think there's some folks who deserve it.

The bigger issue with wilson is how he lasted so long as the coach if he had issues with many of his players.

 

[cw]

The bigger issue with wilson is how he lasted so long as the coach if he had issues with many of his players.

They say 1/3 of the players like the coach (often because the coach likes them and they've benefited from that with more ice time), 1/3 of the players don't like the coach (often because the coach doesn't like them as much and they've suffered from that with less ice time) and 1/3 are on the fence ... with the coach in his early seasons trending towards against him in later seasons if they don't keep winning.

So Wilson, like many NHL coaches, was going to have problems with a number of his players. That alone doesn't disqualify him from doing an ok job. I wasn't a big fan of his nor did I hate him.

In spite of Don Cherry, Kadri had issues with his game and professionalism. Eakins noted them. Wilson noted them. So did Carlyle. Now Horachek and Shanahan. I have some respect for all of those guys and it's very unlikely they're all wrong.