Komarov in deep do-do with the law in Finland

[Bullfrog]

If so, then why the hell would anyone who makes over $30,000 a year drive anywhere?

I would rather suck farts out of a dead chicken than run that risk.

Well, you could just not speed, as one alternative.

 

[Kin]

If so, then why the hell would anyone who makes over $30,000 a year drive anywhere?

I would rather suck farts out of a dead chicken than run that risk.

That shows a complete lack of understanding of how money works. It's actually more dear the less you have of it. All this is doing is equalizing the disincentive. If you make 25,000 dollars a year, losing 12,500 dollars will create a gigantic problem for you. If you make 10 million dollars a year, losing five million dollars won't make you poor. It won't mean you can't clothe or house or feed yourself or your family.

But, please, continue with the "This is so unfair, these people will have to hire chauffeurs!" narrative. That'll win hearts and minds.

 

[Bates]

Why stop at driving infractions?  How about jaywalking for $50K?  Littering for $40K We want consumption of fossil fuels down, why not pay for gas and electricity according to wealth?  Airfare?

 

[Kin]

Why stop at driving infractions?

Well, we wouldn't. Because of different income tax levels wealthy people pay proportionally more for schools than poor people do, as well as for fire services, the army, etc. any public service. This isn't fundamentally different than that.

But I'd absolutely be on board with a carbon tax that capped someone's use of power and taxed them heavily beyond that. Much like what's happening in California with water use during the drought.

 

[Bullfrog]

Why stop at driving infractions?  How about jaywalking for $50K?  Littering for $40K We want consumption of fossil fuels down, why not pay for gas and electricity according to wealth?  Airfare?

Because speeding in a 1800 lb metal box on wheels is slightly more dangerous than littering.

 

[BrownRolo]

I think this site needs more threads like this! The Leafs suck, but people have interests and opinions in other things. There should be sub-section forums about non-sports related topics (politics, news, movies...) Could probably get more people coming to this site?

Anyways, for people who don't agree with fines proportional to your income, John Oliver had a good segment a while back on his show. If you can find it, you should watch it! Might change your mind.

 

[Stickytape]

Anyways, for people who don't agree with fines proportional to your income, John Oliver had a good segment a while back on his show. If you can find it, you should watch it! Might change your mind.

I love Last Week Tonight:
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[herman]

My wife taught me a concept she recently learned in school: equality vs. equity.

Equality is everyone receiving the same thing, regardless of circumstance.
Equity is everyone receiving what is required to get them all to the same level.

Because everyone comes from a different set of circumstances, outright equality is simply not fair enough.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

He's facing charges where a person gives authorities false information about their income and their wealth to avoid heavy fines.  A speeding ticket in Finland is based on how much you made.  A millionaire was fined $57,000 fine for going 15 mph over.


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If so, then why the hell would anyone who makes over $30,000 a year drive anywhere?

I would rather suck farts out of a dead chicken than run that risk.

We have huge congestion problems here in London (UK version - in fact, there's a congestion charge for driving in Central London).  I'd welcome this as a way of relieving some of that traffic.

 

[TML fan]

I wonder how Dan Snyder feels about speed limits?

 

[Highlander]

I hope that Komrade K can translate his love of speed into his skating this year.
We need a good year from KK.

 

[Bates]

We really should taylor all of our laws around singular freak occurrences. Hell maybe we should all be bubble wrapped to reduce injuries. And outlaw all movement to reduce risk of injury. That comment is just as silly as my reply.

I wonder how Dan Snyder feels about speed limits?

 

[Kin]

I wonder how Dan Snyder feels about speed limits?

Jeez, for a second I thought you meant the owner of the Washington NFL team.

 

[bustaheims]

We really should taylor all of our laws around singular freak occurrences. Hell maybe we should all be bubble wrapped to reduce injuries. And outlaw all movement to reduce risk of injury. That comment is just as silly as my reply.

You do realize that individual freak occurrences result in changes to laws and policies on a regular basis, right?

 

[Kin]

Also, what happened to Dan Snyder is in no way a singular freak occurrence. It happens many times a year.

 

[Bullfrog]

I hope that Komrade K can translate his love of speed into his skating this year.
We need a good year from KK.

Do we really, though? I'm hoping for a top three pick.

 

[Highlander]

with all due respect to you Bullfrog and all the other tankers out there, make no mistake, losing is not in Babcocks vocabulary. Not for one second, if we lose we go down fighting, not fat cats, no slackers.  The road before has all been laid out, and lets get on for the ride, win or lose we are going together.  And by the way I always drive at 15K over.

 

[Bullfrog]

Hey, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you're just not being realistic. Babcock's limited vocabulary isn't going to change the lack of talent on this team.

 

[moon111]

What I enjoy is driving 80kms/hr on a 80kms/hr road... in the middle of winter.  Just living on the edge, slipping and sliding.  I'm legal. 

 

[Bullfrog]

No. If you're slipping and sliding, you're not driving legally as you're not exercising the standard of care required of you under the Highway Traffic Act.

The use of the term "due care", which means the care owing in the circumstances, makes it clear that, while the legal standard of care remains the same in the sense that it is always what the ordinary prudent men would do in the circumstances, the factual standard is constantly shifting, depending on road, visibility, weather conditions, traffic conditions that exist or may reasonably be expected, and any other conditions that an ordinary prudent driver would take into consideration.