Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM

[Kin]

It's not Dubas that'll be missing paychecks after Oct 3rd, it's Nylander.

Nylander is a millionaire with millionaire parents. While I'm sure he's itching to play and doesn't like the idea of losing money, it strikes me as unlikely that a few missed paychecks is really going to make a huge difference to him. Especially when someone is going to pay him.

 

[Bates]

Then why doesn't he sign a reasonable deal with the Leafs and make the Cap situation easier if money doesn't matter to him?

It's not Dubas that'll be missing paychecks after Oct 3rd, it's Nylander.

Nylander is a millionaire with millionaire parents. While I'm sure he's itching to play and doesn't like the idea of losing money, it strikes me as unlikely that a few missed paychecks is really going to make a huge difference to him. Especially when someone is going to pay him.

 

[Kin]

Then why doesn't he sign a reasonable deal with the Leafs and make the Cap situation easier if money doesn't matter to him?

I didn't say money didn't matter to him. I said that skipping a couple of paychecks wouldn't hurt him too badly. Especially not if he thinks that by not signing he can negotiate a better deal and more than make up for the paychecks he misses.

So money might matter a great deal to him, which is why he may think that not signing will lead to him ultimately making more of it and make this whole thing worth it. In the meantime though, provided he hasn't lived way beyond his means, he's probably got enough saved to not have to be worried  about missing mortgage or car payments.

edit: Oh, and also, he's making that sweet Reebok money now. So I'm sure his Uber Eats bill is paid up.

 

[Bates]

If he thinks he is going to get a bigger offer to make up for lost time should he not sign before season starts he is getting some really bad advice.

Then why doesn't he sign a reasonable deal with the Leafs and make the Cap situation easier if money doesn't matter to him?

I didn't say money didn't matter to him. I said that skipping a couple of paychecks wouldn't hurt him too badly. Especially not if he thinks that by not signing he can negotiate a better deal and more than make up for the paychecks he misses.

So money might matter a great deal to him, which is why he may think that not signing will lead to him ultimately making more of it and make this whole thing worth it. In the meantime though, provided he hasn't lived way beyond his means, he's probably got enough saved to not have to be worried  about missing mortgage or car payments.

 

[Kin]

If he thinks he is going to get a bigger offer to make up for lost time should he not sign before season starts he is getting some really bad advice.

I tend to be more optimistic than that. I'd like to think that wherever the Leafs are at and wherever Nylander is at there's still room for them to meet somewhere in the middle.

If not, and Nylander ultimately signs a bridge deal, then I still don't think a few missed paychecks will change things too much for him. I think it'd be his inner interest in getting back to the game that will get him to sign a short term deal.

 

[Bates]

I feel fairly confident that the Leafs have offered a fair deal and Dubas knows if we want to remain competitive for years to come we have numbers we need to stick to. Nylander will sign that deal or one very close to it or he won't be playing.

 

[Kin]

I feel fairly confident that the Leafs have offered a fair deal and Dubas knows if we want to remain competitive for years to come we have numbers we need to stick to. Nylander will sign that deal or one very close to it or he won't be playing.

To shift focus from Nylander to Dubas, as the thread might imply, I think Dubas would be making a real mistake if he didn't have multiple offers out there to Nylander's camp right now. They may be too far apart to make a long term deal work but the idea that he wouldn't also give Nylander the option of returning on a bridge deal feels like a decision that would ultimately only hurt the Leafs.

So to get in the weeds I think that if Dubas had offers of, say, 6/38.5 or 7/49 on the table then it would really be in the team's best interest to also have 3/15 or 2/9 out there as well. I don't think there's any benefit to the Leafs in not showing flexibility in the framework of a deal.

 

[Zee]

I feel fairly confident that the Leafs have offered a fair deal and Dubas knows if we want to remain competitive for years to come we have numbers we need to stick to. Nylander will sign that deal or one very close to it or he won't be playing.

To shift focus from Nylander to Dubas, as the thread might imply, I think Dubas would be making a real mistake if he didn't have multiple offers out there to Nylander's camp right now. They may be too far apart to make a long term deal work but the idea that he wouldn't also give Nylander the option of returning on a bridge deal feels like a decision that would ultimately only hurt the Leafs.

So to get in the weeds I think that if Dubas had offers of, say, 6/38.5 or 7/49 on the table then it would really be in the team's best interest to also have 3/15 or 2/9 out there as well. I don't think there's any benefit to the Leafs in not showing flexibility in the framework of a deal.

There's a lot of smart guys in the front office and they've been running numbers all summer.  I think it goes without saying that they would have multiple avenues and offers to get this done.  Dubas himself said yesterday that a bridge deal would be "sub-optimal" for both parties so I'm sure they have an idea of what that would look like.

 

[Bates]

Or he just might have a plan and a long term deal is all he wants rather than taking the chance on having to pay a lot more per season in a few years. Ala PK. 

I feel fairly confident that the Leafs have offered a fair deal and Dubas knows if we want to remain competitive for years to come we have numbers we need to stick to. Nylander will sign that deal or one very close to it or he won't be playing.

To shift focus from Nylander to Dubas, as the thread might imply, I think Dubas would be making a real mistake if he didn't have multiple offers out there to Nylander's camp right now. They may be too far apart to make a long term deal work but the idea that he wouldn't also give Nylander the option of returning on a bridge deal feels like a decision that would ultimately only hurt the Leafs.

So to get in the weeds I think that if Dubas had offers of, say, 6/38.5 or 7/49 on the table then it would really be in the team's best interest to also have 3/15 or 2/9 out there as well. I don't think there's any benefit to the Leafs in not showing flexibility in the framework of a deal.

 

[Kin]

There's a lot of smart guys in the front office and they've been running numbers all summer.  I think it goes without saying that they would have multiple avenues and offers to get this done.  Dubas himself said yesterday that a bridge deal would be "sub-optimal" for both parties so I'm sure they have an idea of what that would look like.

No doubt but the person I'm responding to seems to think that Dubas wouldn't have multiple offers out there so I was addressing that which, as you say, should go without saying but there's always one in the barrel.

I think we can all agree that a bridge deal would be sub-optimal for both parties but I think for a long term deal you do need to have a sort of mutual sense of co-operation that doesn't seem to be present at the moment(and at the very least, I think, would involve both parties in the current impasse being willing to compromise). Failing that, I think a fair argument can be made that the Leafs are actually better served with Nylander on a bridge deal so, you know, like you say it's almost certainly out there as a possibility.

 

[Zee]

There's a lot of smart guys in the front office and they've been running numbers all summer.  I think it goes without saying that they would have multiple avenues and offers to get this done.  Dubas himself said yesterday that a bridge deal would be "sub-optimal" for both parties so I'm sure they have an idea of what that would look like.

No doubt but the person I'm responding to seems to think that Dubas wouldn't have multiple offers out there so I was addressing that which, as you say, should go without saying but there's always one in the barrel.

I think we can all agree that a bridge deal would be sub-optimal for both parties but I think for a long term deal you do need to have a sort of mutual sense of co-operation that doesn't seem to be present at the moment(and at the very least, I think, would involve both parties in the current impasse being willing to compromise). Failing that, I think a fair argument can be made that the Leafs are actually better served with Nylander on a bridge deal so, you know, like you say it's almost certainly out there as a possibility.

I agree, whatever the Leafs highest number is for their proposed long-term deal, if Nylander can't get down to that number it would be best to bridge him to a 2 year deal.  That way his next contract won't kick in until after M&M are signed, and other guys are off the books (notably Marleau and Horton)

Oh and also after the Leafs have won 2 Cups.

 

[Kin]

I agree, whatever the Leafs highest number is for their proposed long-term deal, if Nylander can't get down to that number it would be best to bridge him to a 2 year deal.  That way his next contract won't kick in until after M&M are signed, and other guys are off the books (notably Marleau and Horton)

That and, although I hope this doesn't happen, but if this has soured the team on Nylander long term, Nylander on a bridge deal would allow him to build value if you did eventually want to move him. A lot more value, I think, than he'd currently have. 

But the fact that a bridge deal hasn't already been signed leaves me at least slightly optimistic that both sides have some negotiating room and we still might see a long term deal.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I was starting to think we might see a bridge deal here but with Dubas coming out so strongly against the idea it seems unlikely. If it was a legitimate option he probably wouldn't be openly talking about how "sub-optimal" it is.

 

[Kin]

I was starting to think we might see a bridge deal here but with Dubas coming out so strongly against the idea it seems unlikely. If it was a legitimate option he probably wouldn't be openly talking about how "sub-optimal" it is.

Eh, Dubas is a pretty forthright guy. It's not like if he didn't say anything we wouldn't know that a bridge deal after trying to sign a long term deal was a consolation prize at best.

 

[Zee]

I was starting to think we might see a bridge deal here but with Dubas coming out so strongly against the idea it seems unlikely. If it was a legitimate option he probably wouldn't be openly talking about how "sub-optimal" it is.

They know that locking up Nylander to minimum 6 years (if not 7 or 8 ) will be way better cap value for the team because he'll probably outperform his contract starting this season.  Like Nik said, giving him a bridge, and then Nylander goes off this season and next, his value goes way up and his contract demands as well.  Of course that would also greatly increase his trade value, but let's not talk about that just yet.

 

[Kin]

Like Nik said, giving him a bridge, and then Nylander goes off this season and next, his value goes way up and his contract demands as well.

Yeah, maybe, but I think there's also the possibility that the team has a better argument in a few years for Nylander possibly taking a little less to keep the team together.

Right now, that argument is all effectively theoretical. Looked at in a vacuum the Leafs haven't had world beating seasons the last two years even if they've exceeded expectations. In a couple years not only might the Leafs have tasted real success but Nylander may be more settled into the city.

To me, it's a worthwhile avenue to go down if there really isn't a workable framework for a long term deal.

 

[Frank E]

I'm reading this stuff, but I still can't help but think if Dubas opens the door to a bridge here, that Matthews and Marner will want to go through that door as well.

 

[Kin]

I'm reading this stuff, but I still can't help but think if Dubas opens the door to a bridge here, that Matthews and Marner will want to go through that door as well.

I don't think any RFA really wants a bridge deal. Most would probably vastly prefer a long term deal at a number they're happy with.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm reading this stuff, but I still can't help but think if Dubas opens the door to a bridge here, that Matthews and Marner will want to go through that door as well.

A take like this almost makes me want to renege on that bet we made that I'm almost certainly going to lose at this point.

 

[Frank E]

I'm reading this stuff, but I still can't help but think if Dubas opens the door to a bridge here, that Matthews and Marner will want to go through that door as well.

A take like this almost makes me want to renege on that bet we made that I'm almost certainly going to lose at this point.

Did I make another stupid bet?