Leafs Acquire ROR and Acciari

[Bender]

In the Athletic today there is an article about ROR fitting in with the team, if you can read  the first comment from Oliver. Amazing story about ROR having to kick in the door to get to Acciari and his equipment. There was no key.

That story is like a Chuck Norris meme.

Some bizarro fan fiction lol.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/InsideLeafs/status/1627782641549250560
Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

Leafs gave up 2 contract slots and 4 picks to get Noel Acciari and Ryan O'Reilly (75% retained).

Timo Meier's actual salary (QO notwithstanding) actually makes it more difficult (costly) to get the double-retention out of a third party. O'Reilly's actual base salary this season was 1M, so a pro-rated 25% amounts to ~76k (4th rd pick). Meier's 10M base salary is a fat chunk of change to eat (~760k) and a team should ask for the requisite compensation.

Edit: actual retention dollars fixed

This is from before the trade by you guessed it, whiner boy....He's pissed that Dubas didn't tell him or something lol.

https://twitter.com/SandmanSnipes/status/1627824659063353345

 

[Bender]

Timo Meier doesn't even have to move this year... let's see if he actually does and what the cost is.

 

[bustaheims]

Timo Meier doesn't even have to move this year... let's see if he actually does and what the cost is.

He almost certainly won't be a Shark next season, but could be a coinflip on him finishing this season with them. San Jose probably gets a better return with a sign-and-trade at the draft. There's also the remote possibility that a team picks him up for this year's playoffs and flips him at the draft for close to what they gave up, but I don't think that's a likely outcome.

 

[Kin]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

 

[rdowdall]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

I don't think that actually proves anything though.  He can praise the player and also think that the Leafs paid too high of a price.  In his first post, he doesn't mention anything about worth. 

 

[Kin]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

Now that you mention it, a week ago I'd have said Ryan O'Reilly is a good NHL player and now I think the Leafs paid too much to acquire him. Clearly Seravelli and his goons also got to me.

 

[Zee]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

I don't think that actually proves anything though.  He can praise the player and also think that the Leafs paid too high of a price.  In his first post, he doesn't mention anything about worth. 

That's not why Leafs fans are crapping on him. Before the Leafs traded for him he praises O'Reilly and says he's a "quintessential deadline add for any team looking to get over the hump"

After the Leafs got him "I'm a Ryan O'Reilly fan... my question is, when you watch this season, how far removed his he from that 2019 player and Selke win. I think watching this year, I would say pretty far away from that player"

That has nothing to do with price paid. He's either a great deadline add or he isn't. Frank wants it both ways.

 

[rdowdall]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

I don't think that actually proves anything though.  He can praise the player and also think that the Leafs paid too high of a price.  In his first post, he doesn't mention anything about worth. 

That's not why Leafs fans are crapping on him. Before the Leafs traded for him he praises O'Reilly and says he's a "quintessential deadline add for any team looking to get over the hump"

After the Leafs got him "I'm a Ryan O'Reilly fan... my question is, when you watch this season, how far removed his he from that 2019 player and Selke win. I think watching this year, I would say pretty far away from that player"

That has nothing to do with price paid. He's either a great deadline add or he isn't. Frank wants it both ways.

That's framed a bit differently than what was posted up above.

 

[Zee]

Seravelli really doesn't like this deal (Leafs twitter theorizes he is miffed he did not get the scoop).

I'm glad Leafs twitter is on the case of what might really be behind someone saying they don't like the Leafs trading a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th for two rental players having mediocre years.

He was praising ROR a week before and now it's too much and Meier won't get that much in a deal. He's bitter.

I don't think that actually proves anything though.  He can praise the player and also think that the Leafs paid too high of a price.  In his first post, he doesn't mention anything about worth. 

That's not why Leafs fans are crapping on him. Before the Leafs traded for him he praises O'Reilly and says he's a "quintessential deadline add for any team looking to get over the hump"

After the Leafs got him "I'm a Ryan O'Reilly fan... my question is, when you watch this season, how far removed his he from that 2019 player and Selke win. I think watching this year, I would say pretty far away from that player"

That has nothing to do with price paid. He's either a great deadline add or he isn't. Frank wants it both ways.

That's framed a bit differently than what was posted up above.

Being all pissy about the price paid is something that should worry Leafs fans, as it directly affects the future of the team with all the draft picks gone.  The current roster though?  No, the Leafs didn't give up a single NHL player off the roster and added 2 more.  This improves the team, full stop.  Frank is acting like a Leafs fan now complaining they paid too much, who cares?  They're trying to win now, if this team goes all the way nobody will say boo about the picks gone.

Again, you can hate the deal all you want, but don't go saying O'Reilly is a great deadline addition for ANY team, and then dump on the deal saying he's past his prime and "far removed" from being good.  That just makes Frank look pissy.  He changed his opinion in the matter of 2 weeks.

 

[herman]

Seravelli has parlayed his visibility into a lot of click-revenue for his company is what he did.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/RinkRatReport/status/1628395498183835656

At first blush, this trade definitely felt like Nick Foligno + Riley Nash 2.0
The trade is headlined by a hometown rental with acclaim, and tagging along is a shutdown sidekick that has been on the other side of playoff series that have suffocated our offense.

Noel Acciari was courted this past offseason, but they had to settle for Aube-Kubel. He has revitalized Aston-Reese's game (it's more fun to have a buddy who will steamroll with you), given Kerfoot more purpose in this lineup, and set a higher floor for our 4th line. I hope he gets a chance to get in some good revenge games against Boston in the postseason.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/RinkRatReport/status/1628391444481286144

Order of operations:
St. Louis trades Ryan O'Reilly (50% retained - 3.75M) to Minnesota for the rights to Josh Pillar
Toronto trades Mikhail Abramov, Adam Gaudette, 2023 1st, 2023 3rd, 2024 2nd (OTT) to St. Louis for Noel Acciari and rights to Josh Pillar
Minnesota trades Ryan O'Reilly (50% retained - 1.875M) to Toronto for 2025 4th

 

[Kin]

That's not why Leafs fans are crapping on him. Before the Leafs traded for him he praises O'Reilly and says he's a "quintessential deadline add for any team looking to get over the hump"

After the Leafs got him "I'm a Ryan O'Reilly fan... my question is, when you watch this season, how far removed his he from that 2019 player and Selke win. I think watching this year, I would say pretty far away from that player"

That has nothing to do with price paid. He's either a great deadline add or he isn't. Frank wants it both ways.

"Quintessential" isn't a statement of outstanding quality. It means he's very much representative of a type. As in, he's very much the typical kind of player teams add when they're looking to get over the hump. As we've talked about on the boards before, successful teams that are looking to "get over the hump" typically don't add major pieces or superstars at the deadline but rather minor pieces looking to tinker. There's nothing contradictory about saying someone is a quintessential deadline add and then saying he's not the player he used to be.

 

[Zee]

That's not why Leafs fans are crapping on him. Before the Leafs traded for him he praises O'Reilly and says he's a "quintessential deadline add for any team looking to get over the hump"

After the Leafs got him "I'm a Ryan O'Reilly fan... my question is, when you watch this season, how far removed his he from that 2019 player and Selke win. I think watching this year, I would say pretty far away from that player"

That has nothing to do with price paid. He's either a great deadline add or he isn't. Frank wants it both ways.

"Quintessential" isn't a statement of outstanding quality. It means he's very much representative of a type. As in, he's very much the typical kind of player teams add when they're looking to get over the hump. As we've talked about on the boards before, successful teams that are looking to "get over the hump" typically don't add major pieces or superstars at the deadline but rather minor pieces looking to tinker. There's nothing contradictory about saying someone is a quintessential deadline add and then saying he's not the player he used to be.

I didn't paste the entire quote. He said "he's a true competitor and has plenty of game left and is the quintessential deadline add..."

 

[Bullfrog]

...

At first blush, this trade definitely felt like Nick Foligno + Riley Nash 2.0
The trade is headlined by a hometown rental with acclaim, and tagging along is a shutdown sidekick that has been on the other side of playoff series that have suffocated our offense.

Noel Acciari was courted this past offseason, but they had to settle for Aube-Kubel. He has revitalized Aston-Reese's game (it's more fun to have a buddy who will steamroll with you), given Kerfoot more purpose in this lineup, and set a higher floor for our 4th line. I hope he gets a chance to get in some good revenge games against Boston in the postseason.

I'm not sure I get the comparison. O'Reilly is clearly a better player than Foligno. Like, miles ahead.

 

[Guilt Trip]

...

At first blush, this trade definitely felt like Nick Foligno + Riley Nash 2.0
The trade is headlined by a hometown rental with acclaim, and tagging along is a shutdown sidekick that has been on the other side of playoff series that have suffocated our offense.

Noel Acciari was courted this past offseason, but they had to settle for Aube-Kubel. He has revitalized Aston-Reese's game (it's more fun to have a buddy who will steamroll with you), given Kerfoot more purpose in this lineup, and set a higher floor for our 4th line. I hope he gets a chance to get in some good revenge games against Boston in the postseason.

I'm not sure I get the comparison. O'Reilly is clearly a better player than Foligno. Like, miles ahead.

Foligno had no offence and wasn't as good defensively either. Acciari is miles ahead of Nash as well.

 

[Zee]

...

At first blush, this trade definitely felt like Nick Foligno + Riley Nash 2.0
The trade is headlined by a hometown rental with acclaim, and tagging along is a shutdown sidekick that has been on the other side of playoff series that have suffocated our offense.

Noel Acciari was courted this past offseason, but they had to settle for Aube-Kubel. He has revitalized Aston-Reese's game (it's more fun to have a buddy who will steamroll with you), given Kerfoot more purpose in this lineup, and set a higher floor for our 4th line. I hope he gets a chance to get in some good revenge games against Boston in the postseason.

I'm not sure I get the comparison. O'Reilly is clearly a better player than Foligno. Like, miles ahead.

O'Reilly's high was way better than Foligno and Acciari is a useful depth piece. Deal on the whole is good despite the draft capital worry.

 

[herman]

I felt like I outlined what I meant. There was no comparison of level, just the similarity in profiles/player types. Dubas clearly targets flexible middle six ?safe? veterans from the area and Keefe has a hard on for checking centres that have stymied him previously.