Leafs Acquired Jonathan Bernier

[AvroArrow]

I don't mind this deal.  It's a bit more than I would have liked, but I think Frattin can be replaced.  The big thing we lose in him is the lower cap hit.

The biggest thing I'm worried about is forecheck and grit.  We lose quite a bit of that with Frattin and Komarov going.  I hope Nonis has a plan to replace that aspect.

 

[AvroArrow]

I liked Frattin a lot but as pointed out he's 25 and Carlyle didn't seem to have a use for him (I know he was hurt). Scrivens is a " meh". I just do not see the need for this deal - that ticks me off most - and we're giving away picks again. that ticks me off even more.

It's a 2014 or 2015 pick - lots of time to recoup that.

 

[lamajama]

I liked Frattin a lot but as pointed out he's 25 and Carlyle didn't seem to have a use for him (I know he was hurt). Scrivens is a " meh". I just do not see the need for this deal - that ticks me off most - and we're giving away picks again. that ticks me off even more.

It's a 2014 or 2015 pick - lots of time to recoup that.

Yep but it's the mentality that annoys me. Plus the fact that he's going to want probably more $$ than Reimer despite lower stats. Again I just don't see the upgrade. Plus he played behind a FAR better D than he will in Toronto.

 

[Bonsixx]

Frattin is OK, but streaky as hell. I guess this is what he gets for F-ing up that breakaway in Game 7.

Bernier is most likely our starting goaltender by season's end. I like Reimer well enough, but I think Bernier takes the job.

 

[maplesyrup]

Well, it's not like we have a long track record of misjudging goaltending talent - both other teams and our own [devil horns]

 

[Redleaf]

I liked Frattin a lot but as pointed out he's 25 and Carlyle didn't seem to have a use for him (I know he was hurt). Scrivens is a " meh". I just do not see the need for this deal - that ticks me off most - and we're giving away picks again. that ticks me off even more.

It's a 2014 or 2015 pick - lots of time to recoup that.

Yep but it's the mentality that annoys me. Plus the fact that he's going to want probably more $$ than Reimer despite lower stats. Again I just don't see the upgrade. Plus he played behind a FAR better D than he will in Toronto.

I get the reasoning in acquiring Bernier. At worst it's a hedge against Reimer, should he get injured again, or come out flat next year. At best it's a shot at having a solid goaltending tandem where each goaltender raises his game to either keep the net or steal it away from the other. Eventually it may also bring in a hefty return for the tender the Leafs decide to part with down the line. I just don't like giving up on a piece (Frattin) that I believe was about to come into his own, and become a real force for this Leaf team moving forward.

 

[GoBuds]

Love this deal.

I liked Frattin and Scrivens, draft picks hurt giving up.

We did strengthen our net, which the injuries we have seen Riemer sustain are just one reminder why we needed an upgrade over Scrivens.

Bernier has been highly touted by most in the game as being a backup that has the game to be the starter if he wasn't behind Quick.

The trade sounds about even for both sides as there is risk in regards to what the potential really is.

I'll take as much quality depth in goal as we can get. Being the back up on a Stanley Cup team is not a bad thing that he brings with him either.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Plus the fact that he's going to want probably more $$ than Reimer despite lower stats.

The only way he gets more money than Reimer is if he signs a long-term contract. And even then Reimer will probably sign for about that same amount when his contract is up next season.

The most likely thing to happen though is Bernier signs a 1-year deal at or just below $1.8mil.

 

[mc]

last season was an anomaly. i like this deal. i see reimer being a backup. then again, the last few deals we have made for goalies havent really panned out.

 

[chestyleroux]

I think the Kings got the better player, but Bernier is still young, so lets hope I'm wrong in the long term picture.

I'm not sure if either team agrees with you -- why would the Leafs give up Frattin & more if he's the best player in the deal?

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

???

not sure I like this one yet???..

 

[Redleaf]

I think the Kings got the better player, but Bernier is still young, so lets hope I'm wrong in the long term picture.

I'm not sure if either team agrees with you -- why would the Leafs give up Frattin & more if he's the best player in the deal?

I'm sure the Kings agree with me.

 

[PG]

They are upgrading in goal, can't fault Nonis for that. Reimer had an outstanding season but his body of NHL work still only sits at a shade over 100 games.

I doubt Scrivens and Frattin amount to anything worth lamenting.

 

[L K]

Personally Im not all that thrilled with this trade simply because it makes the forward unit weaker with an expensive and limited free agency pool.

That being said, Bernier at the very least is close to Reimer in terms of current ability and Bernier + Reimer is better than Scrivens + Reimer and overall Bernier might have more potential.

 

[chestyleroux]

last season was an anomaly. i like this deal. i see reimer being a backup. then again, the last few deals we have made for goalies havent really panned out.

It's likely that the Leafs are trying to emulate Chicago's model where you have two good goalies share the load. I don't think there will be an obvious starter. Look at how little trust the Leafs had in Scrivens at the end of the season, they probably did not want to be in that position again.

 

[mr grieves]

One thing that is concerning is that the Leafs now have yet another hole to plug in their forwards. Gone (or likely gone) are Bozak, MacArthur, Frattin, and Komarov. Last season those 4 guys came in at a combined $6.875mil. It'd be mighty difficult to replace those guys at a lower or equal cap hit. Bernier will also probably double Scrivens' salary.

That's one thing. The way we're shedding wingers... Hope MacArthur is brought back.

 

[#1PilarFan]

Bernier is 24 years old, was drafted 11th overall, and has played well when he's been afforded the opportunity - both in the NHL and the AHL. He's not starting because the guy in front of him won the Cup and the Conn Smythe last year, while finishing 2nd in Vezina voting. He is better than Scrivens and may prove to be better than Reimer. On top of all that, he's affordable. The Leafs gave up a bunch of meh for a young, talented goaltender who has been waiting for a chance to break out.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They are upgrading in goal, can't fault Nonis for that. Reimer had an outstanding season but his body of NHL work still only sits at a shade over 100 games.

He's also never played more than 40 games in a NHL season. I was never a big Reimer believer before this season, but he definitely stepped up big. Still, the Leafs needed another goalie that had more 1B potential than Scrivens does.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Personally Im not all that thrilled with this trade simply because it makes the forward unit weaker with an expensive and limited free agency pool.

That being said, Bernier at the very least is close to Reimer in terms of current ability and Bernier + Reimer is better than Scrivens + Reimer and overall Bernier might have more potential.

I'm of the opinion that you can never really be secure enough in goal (provided you don't have a franchise goalie), so I do like adding goaltending depth.

Do I think the Leafs NEEDED to?  No, I think Reimer has shown he is a #1.  But then again, things can change quickly with goalies, so it won't hurt to have another guy like Bernier there.  If both develop I think you can trade 1 for some better asset(s) than you gave up for Bernier.

I don't think those saying Frattin could be a star or will improve much are really thinking objectively about him.  He's got skill, and is an NHL regular, but he reminds me of someone like Viktor Stalberg.  You see certain tools they have and wait for the season they break out, but realistically they are at an age where very few players break out or vastly improve upon what they've already done.  Studies have been done showing the peak seasons for forwards around 23-25, so there likely isn't much of a ceiling left for Frattin.  He most likely is what he is (which isn't a bad thing).

 

[#1PilarFan]

One thing that is concerning is that the Leafs now have yet another hole to plug in their forwards. Gone (or likely gone) are Bozak, MacArthur, Frattin, and Komarov. Last season those 4 guys came in at a combined $6.875mil. It'd be mighty difficult to replace those guys at a lower or equal cap hit.

MacArthur, Frattin and Komarov averaged about 14 minutes per game each. These guys were not used a lot. Replacing Bozak will be tricky, but those three? You can find grinders/reclamation projects in the AHL and in free agency. Hamilton and Colbourne are two guys that could probably come in and replace their production for a minimal cost.