Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 20th, 9:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

[Joe S.]

https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1384721903428980736
They were planning his surprise birthday party

There was that crazy Rogers outage that day to be fair.

 

[bustaheims]

Wow, I went to bed after the 2nd period. What the heck happened. Rittich fell apart?

Just watched the highlights. Rittich bad. I think I counted at least 3 goals he should have been able to stop - including one that doesn't go in if he doesn't try to.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Wow, I went to bed after the 2nd period. What the heck happened. Rittich fell apart?

Just watched the highlights. Rittich bad. I think I counted at least 3 goals he should have been able to stop - including one that doesn't go in if he doesn't try to.

The 3rd and 5th goals were brutal and absolute killer. Don't blame him much on the 1st and 2nd.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1384721903428980736
They were planning his surprise birthday party

There was that crazy Rogers outage that day to be fair.

That might have been a mitigating factor, but no one else missed the meeting. Between that and Mikheyev's injury, it gave juuuust enough of an opening to slot him back into the lineup (after those frank discussions about responsibility and team accountability). To Keefe's credit, he rewarded Nylander's play with 20+ min of ice time for the second straight game*. Yeah, we trailed a lot (lol) but a pettier coach could have held him off the PP.

* Nylander has crested 20 min only one other game this season: Feb 22 vs CGY and that was a chase game.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/EarlSchwartz27/status/1384740937075732480

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/EarlSchwartz27/status/1384740937075732480

That's assuming both Bogosian and Hyman go on LTIR for the rest of the season though, and we already know Hyman's supposed to return a couple weeks before then.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1384721903428980736
They were planning his surprise birthday party

There was that crazy Rogers outage that day to be fair.

That might have been a mitigating factor, but no one else missed the meeting. Between that and Mikheyev's injury, it gave juuuust enough of an opening to slot him back into the lineup (after those frank discussions about responsibility and team accountability). To Keefe's credit, he rewarded Nylander's play with 20+ min of ice time for the second straight game*. Yeah, we trailed a lot (lol) but a pettier coach could have held him off the PP.

* Nylander has crested 20 min only one other game this season: Feb 22 vs CGY and that was a chase game.

And it's funny, the pair of Nylander and Tavares have been the best two forwards on the team for the past two or three games. It's funny what he does with ice time.
I also really liked Kerfoot on that line. He became a Hyman for that line. The energy that drives it. Every line needs a play driver. And if Tavares can be relieved of that role, it will only help the team.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/EarlSchwartz27/status/1384740937075732480

That's assuming both Bogosian and Hyman go on LTIR for the rest of the season though, and we already know Hyman's supposed to return a couple weeks before then.

I understand that. I think Hyman is going to be out longer then the 2 weeks minimum.
Anyway it will all depend on how Freddie is doing I suppose. Interesting note is if there were less then 10 reg season games to go, they couldn't use LTIR for either.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/EarlSchwartz27/status/1384740937075732480

That's assuming both Bogosian and Hyman go on LTIR for the rest of the season though, and we already know Hyman's supposed to return a couple weeks before then.

Yeah I don't think there is a way to recall Andersen without waiving at least two players.

Even with Robertson/Sandin on the tax squad + Bogosian on LTIR

A 13F/6D/3G situation would have them 2.6-ish over the cap.  If you waive Rittich and Engvall we get under the cap to fit Andersen but that's running with a 12F/6D setup and not giving a guy like Sandin any more NHL time until the playoffs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yeah I don't think there is a way to recall Andersen without waiving at least two players.

Even with Robertson/Sandin on the tax squad + Bogosian on LTIR

A 13F/6D/3G situation would have them 2.6-ish over the cap.  If you waive Rittich and Engvall we get under the cap to fit Andersen but that's running with a 12F/6D setup and not giving a guy like Sandin any more NHL time until the playoffs.

Mirtle looked into the ways they could fit Andersen back under the cap this season here (paywall). But the gist is 1) have other players go on LTIR (like now Bogosian and Hyman) or 2) make a trade to clear cap space (trades can still technically happen right now, but the traded player can't play for his new team until next season).

Unfortunately they can't waive their way out of this because of a wrinkle in the CBA Mirtle talks about: anyone who was on the roster as of 3pm on trade deadline day cannot be reassigned to the TS or the Marlies. That includes Rittich and Hutton. He said he's confirmed this with multiple sources.

 

[L K]

Yeah I don't think there is a way to recall Andersen without waiving at least two players.

Even with Robertson/Sandin on the tax squad + Bogosian on LTIR

A 13F/6D/3G situation would have them 2.6-ish over the cap.  If you waive Rittich and Engvall we get under the cap to fit Andersen but that's running with a 12F/6D setup and not giving a guy like Sandin any more NHL time until the playoffs.

Mirtle looked into the ways they could fit Andersen back under the cap this season here (paywall). But the gist is 1) have other players go on LTIR (like now Bogosian and Hyman) or 2) make a trade to clear cap space (trades can still technically happen right now, but the traded player can't play for his new team until next season).

Unfortunately they can't waive their way out of this because of a wrinkle in the CBA Mirtle talks about: anyone who was on the roster as of 3pm on trade deadline day cannot be reassigned to the TS or the Marlies. That includes Rittich and Hutton. He said he's confirmed this with multiple sources.

Eesh.  Not great.

 

[rdowdall]

Remember everyone.  It's always darkest before the dawn.

Just try and forget that it's been dark for like 50 years now.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Yeah I don't think there is a way to recall Andersen without waiving at least two players.

Even with Robertson/Sandin on the tax squad + Bogosian on LTIR

A 13F/6D/3G situation would have them 2.6-ish over the cap.  If you waive Rittich and Engvall we get under the cap to fit Andersen but that's running with a 12F/6D setup and not giving a guy like Sandin any more NHL time until the playoffs.

Mirtle looked into the ways they could fit Andersen back under the cap this season here (paywall). But the gist is 1) have other players go on LTIR (like now Bogosian and Hyman) or 2) make a trade to clear cap space (trades can still technically happen right now, but the traded player can't play for his new team until next season).

Unfortunately they can't waive their way out of this because of a wrinkle in the CBA Mirtle talks about: anyone who was on the roster as of 3pm on trade deadline day cannot be reassigned to the TS or the Marlies. That includes Rittich and Hutton. He said he's confirmed this with multiple sources.

It will be interesting to see what happens moving forward but I don't think anything happens  until Freddie is ready to go. We also don't know how bad Bogo's injury is and Hyman's status was also a ballpark figure.

 

[Bullfrog]

Bogosian has been very, very solid as a 3rd pairing dman. He will be missed. I don't know anything about Hutton but wonder if Dermott gets a shot playing the right side. Dermott/Sandin could be an entertaining pair, though maybe not in a good way.

Ya, he's made me a believer. When we first got him, I was convinced he'd be fighting for a roster spot. I'm glad I was wrong.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Remember everyone.  It's always darkest before the dawn.

Just try and forget that it's been dark for like 50 years now.

I dont look at it as dark. The Leafs have played well enough to win most of these games. Jack and now Rittich haven't, that's it. I also don't look into the past. This team has nothing to do with it so it means nothing to me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Remember everyone.  It's always darkest before the dawn.

Just try and forget that it's been dark for like 50 years now.

Does this make Foligno the hero that we deserve, but not the one that we need?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Bogosian has been very, very solid as a 3rd pairing dman. He will be missed. I don't know anything about Hutton but wonder if Dermott gets a shot playing the right side. Dermott/Sandin could be an entertaining pair, though maybe not in a good way.

I don't think so. I think Hutton gets in for sure because he's a PKer and Bogo did a lot of PKing for us. I don't know if Sandin or Hutton can play the right side on the 3rd pair.
Sandin looked very good last night especially considering he's played less then 2 games in over a year and coming off a broken foot. The kid is impressive.

 

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1384721903428980736
They were planning his surprise birthday party

There was that crazy Rogers outage that day to be fair.

That might have been a mitigating factor, but no one else missed the meeting. Between that and Mikheyev's injury, it gave juuuust enough of an opening to slot him back into the lineup (after those frank discussions about responsibility and team accountability). To Keefe's credit, he rewarded Nylander's play with 20+ min of ice time for the second straight game*. Yeah, we trailed a lot (lol) but a pettier coach could have held him off the PP.

* Nylander has crested 20 min only one other game this season: Feb 22 vs CGY and that was a chase game.

And it's funny, the pair of Nylander and Tavares have been the best two forwards on the team for the past two or three games. It's funny what he does with ice time.
I also really liked Kerfoot on that line. He became a Hyman for that line. The energy that drives it. Every line needs a play driver. And if Tavares can be relieved of that role, it will only help the team.

Kerfoot has been good whenever he's played with Tavares and Nylander. The problem is, taking him out of the bottom 6 (especially with Hyman and Mikheyev out) essentially means the team plays with 2 fourth lines. What I'm left wondering is, if you just stick Robertson in that LW role and use Kerfoot to form a more serviceable 3rd line, is the team better or worse than with Kerfoot on line 2? It seems pretty obvious that Keefe would rather go with the 2 top and 2 fourth lines and I tend to agree with those who say Robertson isn't really "ready", but I'll also argue that if he got more time on line 2 we might find out he's "ready enough".

Foligno should help and I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of lines Keefe comes up with. I do think he needs to come up with a 3rd line that can make an impact, whether it be offensively (maybe with Kerfoot and/or Robertson) or as a shut-down, hard to play against line.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

That might have been a mitigating factor, but no one else missed the meeting. Between that and Mikheyev's injury, it gave juuuust enough of an opening to slot him back into the lineup (after those frank discussions about responsibility and team accountability). To Keefe's credit, he rewarded Nylander's play with 20+ min of ice time for the second straight game*. Yeah, we trailed a lot (lol) but a pettier coach could have held him off the PP.

* Nylander has crested 20 min only one other game this season: Feb 22 vs CGY and that was a chase game.

And it's funny, the pair of Nylander and Tavares have been the best two forwards on the team for the past two or three games. It's funny what he does with ice time.
I also really liked Kerfoot on that line. He became a Hyman for that line. The energy that drives it. Every line needs a play driver. And if Tavares can be relieved of that role, it will only help the team.

Kerfoot has been good whenever he's played with Tavares and Nylander. The problem is, taking him out of the bottom 6 (especially with Hyman and Mikheyev out) essentially means the team plays with 2 fourth lines. What I'm left wondering is, if you just stick Robertson in that LW role and use Kerfoot to form a more serviceable 3rd line, is the team better or worse than with Kerfoot on line 2? It seems pretty obvious that Keefe would rather go with the 2 top and 2 fourth lines and I tend to agree with those who say Robertson isn't really "ready", but I'll also argue that if he got more time on line 2 we might find out he's "ready enough".

Foligno should help and I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of lines Keefe comes up with. I do think he needs to come up with a 3rd line that can make an impact, whether it be offensively (maybe with Kerfoot and/or Robertson) or as a shut-down, hard to play against line.

I think if you can calm Robertson slightly, he could be very effective. I noticed a couple times in the game Sunday that he can control the play. He reminds me quite a bit of Kerfoot when Kerfoot is trying to do way too much(as was seen early in the season).
What do we see the lines look like going forward with Foligno in and Hyman out?

Marner Matthews Galchenyuk
Foligno Tavares Nylander
Kerfoot Engvall Mikheyev
Thornton Spezza Simmons
Robertson

When Hyman comes back, drop Engvall and move Kerfoot to the middle(if he wasn't already there). Or does Robertson get in before Engvall regardless? if that's the case, I don't like a line of Kerfoot, Robertson and Mikheyev.

 

[herman]

And it's funny, the pair of Nylander and Tavares have been the best two forwards on the team for the past two or three games. It's funny what he does with ice time.
I also really liked Kerfoot on that line. He became a Hyman for that line. The energy that drives it. Every line needs a play driver. And if Tavares can be relieved of that role, it will only help the team.

Kerfoot has been good whenever he's played with Tavares and Nylander. The problem is, taking him out of the bottom 6 (especially with Hyman and Mikheyev out) essentially means the team plays with 2 fourth lines. What I'm left wondering is, if you just stick Robertson in that LW role and use Kerfoot to form a more serviceable 3rd line, is the team better or worse than with Kerfoot on line 2? It seems pretty obvious that Keefe would rather go with the 2 top and 2 fourth lines and I tend to agree with those who say Robertson isn't really "ready", but I'll also argue that if he got more time on line 2 we might find out he's "ready enough".

Foligno should help and I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of lines Keefe comes up with. I do think he needs to come up with a 3rd line that can make an impact, whether it be offensively (maybe with Kerfoot and/or Robertson) or as a shut-down, hard to play against line.

I think if you can calm Robertson slightly, he could be very effective. I noticed a couple times in the game Sunday that he can control the play. He reminds me quite a bit of Kerfoot when Kerfoot is trying to do way too much(as was seen early in the season).
What do we see the lines look like going forward with Foligno in and Hyman out?

Marner Matthews Galchenyuk
Foligno Tavares Nylander
Kerfoot Engvall Mikheyev
Thornton Spezza Simmons
Robertson

When Hyman comes back, drop Engvall and move Kerfoot to the middle(if he wasn't already there). Or does Robertson get in before Engvall regardless? if that's the case, I don't like a line of Kerfoot, Robertson and Mikheyev.

I think we're better served with Kerfoot and Foligno swapping in and out of the Tavares-Nylander wing as the situation requires: Kerfoot by default, Foligno for DZ stop or a particularly grindy game vs the Jets. Kerfoot doesn't add enough offense on his own to make the 3rd line an overmatch option, largely because all the other third line options cannot push play or shoot at an above average level.

We're better off making two hella awesome first lines, and the bottom lines like Boston does (make sure nothing happens, and sometimes get a turnover breakaway) for our standard deployment. Against teams with depth issues, flip the third line into more offense and balance out the top two a bit.