Leafs @ Penguins - Nov 16th - 7:00 pm - CBC

[lc9]

The problem is obvious.  There is no vision for the way this team plays on the ice.  Dubas has set his path.  Babcock actively undermines it.  Babcock should have been fired two off seasons ago.  Last year and a quarter have been a waste.  You have a coach and GM that see the game in an opposite manner.  What?s the point of continuing down this fruitless path?

Dubas is responsible for the team assembled...soft as butter.  Nothing Babcock can do about that.

The roster, playing a proper style, would excel.  Babcock is making nearly every player worse.  Except Gauthier, his favorite player. 

 

[ZBBM]

I liked Ron?s talk. I wonder if it gets the nutters off him now, probably not.

It was operatic, I'll give him that.

 

[Kin]

They bet the season on them?

That's overstating it a bit on my part but if they didn't have a goalie they were comfortable playing 65-70 games a year then choosing mid-tier guys over a solid backup is pretty close to that, yeah.

 

[ZBBM]

Guy's sweater is really nice.  Like that color.

 

[ZBBM]

They bet the season on them?

That's overstating it a bit on my part but if they didn't have a goalie they were comfortable playing 65-70 games a year then choosing mid-tier guys over a solid backup is pretty close to that, yeah.

I agree with that.

 

[Kin]

...What?

"Sentient beings," Nik.  That means us, I think.  And maybe octopi.

I just have no idea what was just said. Like, if someone were to ask me to sum up what MacLean said in the intermission I'd really be unsure as to a specific message to take from it outside of Ron struggled with resigning and still likes Don Cherry?

 

[Stebro]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

 

[Kin]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

I think Babcock is very stubborn and determined to make square pegs fit a round hole. I don't think he's doing it to send a message to Dubas.

 

[ZBBM]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

If this is a power struggle between Dubas and Babcock then Dubas needs to fire him and get his guy in there.  Unless, of course, Dubas doesn't have 100% control and Shanahan wants Babcock kept in that role.

 

[Strangelove]

So Hyman and Kapanen both have way more ice time than Matthews. This is fine.

 

[Strangelove]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

That?s been part of the problem for the past 3 years.

 

[Hobbes]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

I don't buy that. He loses that pissing contest and nobody with NHL wiring will deliberately play to lose.

 

[ZBBM]

Uh, Kasimir.

 

[herman]

Oh... kay?

Is this going to encourage Barrie to shoot more from out there...

 

[Kin]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

If this is a power struggle between Dubas and Babcock then Dubas needs to fire him and get his guy in there.  Unless, of course, Dubas doesn't have 100% control and Shanahan wants Babcock kept in that role.

I think it's even more complicated then that. Firing Babcock would, I think, make Shanahan look pretty bad. Imagine him having to go to the board and say that the money they still owed Babcock was a sunk cost because he couldn't mediate a dispute between Babcock and Dubas.

 

[Hobbes]

So Hyman and Kapanen both have way more ice time than Matthews. This is fine.

They were both out there for the PK while Matthews isn't.

 

[ZBBM]

HA HA HA we suck.

 

[Frank E]

...What?

"Sentient beings," Nik.  That means us, I think.  And maybe octopi.

I just have no idea what was just said. Like, if someone were to ask me to sum up what MacLean said in the intermission I'd really be unsure as to a specific message to take from it outside of Ron struggled with resigning and still likes Don Cherry?

Yeah, I think it was just a love letter slash apology from Ron to Don. It was obviously not rehearsed, or even organized. It was just Ron unloading a little, and very carefully so as not to create any resulting talking points.

 

[Stebro]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

I think Babcock is very stubborn and determined to make square pegs fit a round hole. I don't think he's doing it to send a message to Dubas.

I can see him using players the wrong way just to say "this is what you gave me to work with, since I don't have the defensive d-men I wanted, I'll just pretend that Ceci and Barrie is".

 

[lc9]

Am I the only one who thinks Babcock is playing certain players in the wrong situation just to send a message to Dubas? Why can't Holl or Dermott play with Rielly?

This has been happening for the last 2 seasons. Babcock is coaching to spite dubas.  It?s as obvious as the day is long. If Dubas likes it, Babcock hates it just because.