Leafs Roster Appears to Be Set

[bustaheims]

And, with that, the Leafs will be running with zero cap space for the entire season or until they trade away a contract. Injury replacements or dollar for dollar deals only the rest of the way if they can't move some money out.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=433394
Devane being called up.

I like Devane, but shouldn't they be calling up a defenseman considering Fraser is the one who is injured?

(or is there a forward hurt as well?  Ashton?)

i guess they were more interested in replacing his grit than his D?  i don't know ..seems to make reilly a lock for this next game though

 

[Deebo]

And, with that, the Leafs will be running with zero cap space for the entire season or until they trade away a contract. Injury replacements or dollar for dollar deals only the rest of the way if they can't move some money out.

Wasn't that the case before this happened too?

 

[bustaheims]

Wasn't that the case before this happened too?

Yes, but, they had ~$125K in cap space (though, half of that was gone to cover Bodie) that they could have conceivably saved for a deadline deal. That's gone now. LTIR only covers the portion of the cap hit that causes a team to exceed the cap, not the part that gets them there.

 

[bustaheims]

i guess they were more interested in replacing his grit than his D?  i don't know ..seems to make reilly a lock for this next game though

Unless another move is made, Rielly is a lock for the next 10 games - meaning, if the Leafs don't make a trade or send someone down to call up another defenceman (or have a forward play on the blue line - which seems ridiculously unlikely), Rielly's here to stay.

 

[Deebo]

Unless another move is made, Rielly is a lock for the next 10 games - meaning, if the Leafs don't make a trade or send someone down to call up another defenceman (or have a forward play on the blue line - which seems ridiculously unlikely), Rielly's here to stay.

A move like Devane or Ashton being sent down and a defender being recalled is a very simple to make, so he's far from a lock for the next 10 games.

 

[Arn]

Are any of the forwards we have capable of taking a regular shift on D?

Maybe this could be the start of Orr as a hockey player. Bottom pairing DMan... Or not!

 

[Corn Flake]

Are any of the forwards we have capable of taking a regular shift on D?

Maybe this could be the start of Orr as a hockey player. Bottom pairing DMan... Or not!

Oh my god imagine watching Orr try to pivot like a d-man? He would fall every single time.

 

[bustaheims]

A move like Devane or Ashton being sent down and a defender being recalled is a very simple to make, so he's far from a lock for the next 10 games.

Which is why I said "unless another move is made" and "if the Leafs don't make a trade of send someone down to call up another defence man." If they don't do either of those things, he's a lock for each of the next 10 games until they do.

 

[Corn Flake]

Fraser our 3-4 weeks.

LTIR

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Which is why I said "unless another move is made" and "if the Leafs don't make a trade of send someone down to call up another defence man." If they don't do either of those things, he's a lock for each of the next 10 games until they do.

I get what you're saying and see that you put conditions on it and everything (and I certainly don't want to make a big deal out of this), but that's like saying Bernier is a lock to start the next 5 games unless or until Reimer starts. It's still very premature to use "Rielly" and "lock" in the same sentence given how easy it would be to fill his spot on the roster.

 

[Deebo]

A move like Devane or Ashton being sent down and a defender being recalled is a very simple to make, so he's far from a lock for the next 10 games.

Which is why I said "unless another move is made" and "if the Leafs don't make a trade of send someone down to call up another defence man." If they don't do either of those things, he's a lock for each of the next 10 games until they do.

I was trying to understand the point you were trying to make.

The post you were replying to said that Rielly would be a lock for this Saturday, which appears to be true because if they were planning on recalling a defender for this Saturday's game, that's the move that would have been made today.

You replied by saying he's a lock for 10 games, if something that has a high probability of happening doesn't happen.

 

[bustaheims]

I get what you're saying and see that you put conditions on it and everything (and I certainly don't want to make a big deal out of this), but that's like saying Bernier is a lock to start the next 5 games unless or until Reimer starts. It's still very premature to use "Rielly" and "lock" in the same sentence given how easy it would be to fill his spot on the roster.

That comparison doesn't work at all. With Bernier, the potential alternate is already on the roster. He's not a lock to play because no roster moves have to be made to take him out of the lineup. He is, however, a lock to be dressed every night until the Leafs add a 3rd goalie to the roster. As the roster sits right now, Rielly is a lock to play the next 10 games. Something has to happen in order to change that, and, until it does, that statement holds true.

 

[bustaheims]

You replied by saying he's a lock for 10 games, if something that has a high probability of happening doesn't happen.

I'm not convinced it does have a high probability of happening.

 

[freer]

Fraser our 3-4 weeks.

LTIR

Does Fraser's pay count towards the cap while he is on  LTIR?

 

[Deebo]

You replied by saying he's a lock for 10 games, if something that has a high probability of happening doesn't happen.

I'm not convinced it does have a high probability of happening.

I'd hope they base on his play, and if he isn't ready, they don't burn a year off his ELC because of relatively short term injury to Fraser.

Are you saying that you think he'll be good enough, or that you think they'll give him the next 10 games and burn a year of the ELC regardless of his performance?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That comparison doesn't work at all. With Bernier, the potential alternate is already on the roster. He's not a lock to play because no roster moves have to be made to take him out of the lineup. He is, however, a lock to be dressed every night until the Leafs add a 3rd goalie to the roster. As the roster sits right now, Rielly is a lock to play the next 10 games. Something has to happen in order to change that, and, until it does, that statement holds true.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised at how hard you're defending this claim. I've already said that technically given the conditions you placed around it the statement is true, I just feel like you could come up with countless of examples of something like that that just sound flat out silly. But I'm not going to play that game. So sure, I'll accept it. In that case though, here are the multiple possibilities that could occur that would negate Rielly's "lock" status:

-The Leafs send down Carter Ashton anytime in the next three weeks and call up a defenceman instead
-The Leafs send down Troy Bodie anytime in the next three weeks and call up a defenceman instead
-The Leaf send down Jamie Devane anytime in the next three weeks and call up a defenceman instead
-David Clarkson returns from suspension after 8 games and the Leafs send down 1-2 of Ashton/Bodie/Devane and call up a defenceman instead
-Frazer McLaren returns from injury after 8 games/20 days and the Leafs send down 1-2 of Ashton/Bodie/Devane and call up a defenceman instead
-The Leafs return Rielly to junior anytime in the next three weeks and call up another defenceman

Or the alternative is the Leafs play Rielly for the next 10 games, something that they showed absolutely no sign of doing 48 hours ago, all because their number 6 defenceman got hurt.

 

[bustaheims]

Are you saying that you think he'll be good enough, or that you think they'll give him the next 10 games and burn a year of the ELC regardless of his performance?

My hope is that he'll be good enough, but I'm also not sure it was ever their intention to return him to junior this season. That being said, I'm looking at it more in terms of questioning why Devane was brought up, and that's what really got me to the position I'm taking.

I mean, with the Leafs' cap situation, why bring up Devane, or any forward for that matter, when the team is at home and healthy enough to ice a complete set of forwards without sending anyone else down? The Leafs don't hit the road until the 10th and the Marlies are at home until the 12th. If something came up before the Leafs left for Nashville, it would have been easy to add a replacement by game time. So, there was no time crunch in place to make this move now. Considering the role Devane is likely to be playing, he doesn't really need to get into a bunch of practices with the team to fit in. I mean, he'll be playing 5 minutes a night on the 4th line. He can handle that well enough even if he's added the day of the game he's needed for. I see two potential reasons that Devane was the guy that was called up and why it happened now - neither of which have a roster move happening for at least a week or two. The first is that one of the forwards is hurt just enough that the doesn't want them to dress every game. That means Devane is up to sub in for them on occasion for the next couple weeks - or straight up take their role for the next few games while they work something out, and likely hang around for a little after that. The other is that they want to be able to rotate guys like Bodie and Ashton in and out of the lineup for a while. Both guys have limited NHL experience and the team might feel they'll benefit from watching a game from the press box here and there. Adding another forward in the same mould allows them that option. I honestly just don't see a logical reason why they would have brought up Devane now when a 13th forward is not needed and both the Leafs and the Marlies are at home for almost a week. The Nashville game is also the only road game the Leafs play for the next 2 weeks while the Marlies are only on the road for one game in the next 3 weeks. I know teams don't like to have the bare minimum available to them, but, considering the situation, the Leafs could have managed that very easily. Unless someone's a game time decision or they want to swap people out up front, why make the move? That makes me believe that Devane is here at least until Clarkson gets back, unless there are other injuries in that time. So, that's 8 games that Rielly looks like an almost certain lock for, and, after that, my guess is he'll have shown he's a better option than what the team could fit under the cap in terms of calling someone up from the AHL.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Carlyle seems to have trouble icing a line up without 2 guys that can fight and little else, no slight to Devane.

That said, I hope Rielly never looks back and he has a stellar year with the Leafs. If he doesn't, the Leafs have the depth moving ahead.

 

[Zee]

Carlyle seems to have trouble icing a line up without 2 guys that can fight and little else, no slight to Devane.

That said, I hope Rielly never looks back and he has a stellar year with the Leafs. If he doesn't, the Leafs have the depth moving ahead.

Funny that an injury would get him into the lineup.  Maybe the kid takes the chance and runs with it and forces the Leafs never to send him away.  Which would mean someone else loses their job.