Leafs @ sens - Mar. 14th, 7:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

[azzurri63]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

 

[BrownRolo]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

I think he tried to trade Andersen . There's no way he knew Campbell would be hurt so much. And we lost Dell on waivers. At the start of the season our goalie depth looked great. Bad luck and Andersen being below average has really hurt this team.

 

[azzurri63]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

I think he tried to trade Andersen . There's no way he knew Campbell would be hurt so much. And we lost Dell on waivers. At the start of the season our goalie depth looked great. Bad luck and Andersen being below average has really hurt this team.

I didn't know much about Dell but you think they would have waived Hutch and kept him.

 

[Spider]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

I think he tried to trade Andersen . There's no way he knew Campbell would be hurt so much. And we lost Dell on waivers. At the start of the season our goalie depth looked great. Bad luck and Andersen being below average has really hurt this team.

I didn't know much about Dell but you think they would have waived Hutch and kept him.

Dubus did waive Hutch first, and no one took him.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I called him out for his turnovers, but Rielly was good on the offensive side of things.

I mentioned this before, but the team really misses having another offensive option on the back end to split those minutes with him.

That would be Rasmus Sandin.  Sort of.  Possibly.

It would be him on PP2..

 

[azzurri63]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

I think he tried to trade Andersen . There's no way he knew Campbell would be hurt so much. And we lost Dell on waivers. At the start of the season our goalie depth looked great. Bad luck and Andersen being below average has really hurt this team.

I didn't know much about Dell but you think they would have waived Hutch and kept him.

Dubus did waive Hutch first, and no one took him.

Ok. No one took him what a surprise.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Well to keep things in a little perspective here despite them being in a slump.. they're on pace for 109 pts during an 82 game schedule. There was a great chance they couldn't have kept that pace up, before the slump, with how many games they've played and with all the injuries known, and not known. I really believe they are just out of gas right now both physically and mentally. They are essentially beating themselves with the lack of details that were executed without thought a week or so ago. That's a sign of being tired.
All in all they've probably played only a handful of bad games out of 30..

I think they regroup, get some rest, get some injured players back and get rolling again. They'll need the rest though because April's schedule is brutal. They have a stretch of 8 games in 13 days. That's ridiculous.
Oh well keep the faith, it's only hockey and the boys will get their crap together..

 

[wnc096]

Have to trade for a goalie now.

Hutch is done. He can never play for the Leafs again.

Andersen has looked not good and gets hurt a lot.

Campbell is permanently hurt.

Need someone who can play and not get hurt.

This should have been addressed at the beginning of the year. Dubas has no clue. If the games Hutchinson started for us last year didn't tell you he flat out stinks then I don't know how much more they needed to see. Then you bring him back. WOW. Again boils down to cap space and limited in what you can do. Another Dubas f up. It's not just goaltending it's far more than that and I don't need to repeat myself again.

They brought Hutch back as their FOURTH string goalie to start the year,  he wasnt supposed to be a factor.  Not sure what your solution here would be here. The only viable option available would be signing Markstrom ( who makes more money) and unloading Andersen for nothing.  Pretty sure Dubas tried to trade Andersen in the offseason, but market for a $5M goalie on the last year of his contract limited (I also think he has a modified NTC).  Like it or not Andersen was the starter this year.

What are you suggesting?  They traded a core player for another starting goalie?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Hutch was signed to be their 4th but also for the upcoming draft. That's why they gave him a 2 year deal. Key for the 2nd half is to get Campbell healthy so Freddie doesn't feel like he has to play every game. Hopefully he can get healthy and Keefe can run with the hot goalie going forward.

 

[ZBBM]

Hutchinson was obviously terrible tonight but for a 4th stringer he got the team some wins.  Overall, more plusses than minuses but no, I don't really want to see him in goal again.
 
The problem is all the goalies have been hurt, the defense has come apart since the EDM series, and they need a few days off.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I didn't pay the closest attention to this game, but both the Athletic and MLHS report cards for this one gave Thornton poor/NA ratings. That was the case in the last B2B we played against Vancouver too. The Leafs have a B2B right after this break, and then another 4 days off, and then the schedule from then to the end of the season is absolutely jam-packed including 3 B2B's in April. I'm not sure if this is a pride issue with Thornton or the coaching staff just doesn't think they need to bench him, but he's one guy that definitely needs to have his minutes managed heading into the playoffs. At 41 years old there's really nothing wrong with saying he isn't going to play back to backs.

 

[wnc096]

Hutchinson was obviously terrible tonight but for a 4th stringer he got the team some wins.  Overall, more plusses than minuses but no, I don't really want to see him in goal again.
 
The problem is all the goalies have been hurt, the defense has come apart since the EDM series, and they need a few days off.

That's exactly it. I don't think anybody had visions of Hutchinson having 6 starts at the halfway point of the season

 

[Guilt Trip]

Hutchinson was obviously terrible tonight but for a 4th stringer he got the team some wins.  Overall, more plusses than minuses but no, I don't really want to see him in goal again.
 
The problem is all the goalies have been hurt, the defense has come apart since the EDM series, and they need a few days off.

Agree. Having both Freddie and Campbell get hurt wasn't helpful.
I think it's not just the D..the forwards haven't been the greatest either. Too many breakdowns of the 5 man unit. They also need to work on the pk. It simply isn't good enough. I think they may have to change up the partners. Maybe run Mikheyev with Marner or something. Still time to get it going though.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The first 3 shots on net sank the Leafs. Those 2 goals on Hutchinson to start the game simply cannot happen. Hutchinson has to stop those. Also, the shots should have never happened in the first place. Like I said in one of the Jets GDT's. This team is making really poor decisions with the puck. If they could cut the needless giveaways in half, the last "slump" would not have even happened.

But, it is the middle of the season. Every team is going to go through a slump of some kind. I have some concerns, but it's not going to cause me to lose sleep.

 

[Zee]

The first 3 shots on net sank the Leafs. Those 2 goals on Hutchinson to start the game simply cannot happen. Hutchinson has to stop those. Also, the shots should have never happened in the first place. Like I said in one of the Jets GDT's. This team is making really poor decisions with the puck. If they could cut the needless giveaways in half, the last "slump" would not have even happened.

But, it is the middle of the season. Every team is going to go through a slump of some kind. I have some concerns, but it's not going to cause me to lose sleep.

It's too bad cause Hutchinson was actually pretty good in the other games before last night.  The terrible Hutch reared his ugly head again.  Campbell can't get back fast enough

 

[bustaheims]

Didn't catch the game, but looking at the highlights . . . Hutchinson bad. Just really bad. After a few good starts when he first came up, he's been back to his old self. Game was basically over from there. The 2nd goal on Andersen is one you'd like to see stopped (or, at least, better rebound control on the initial shot), as well, but it wasn't on the same level of terrible as the two on Hutch.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Didn't catch the game, but looking at the highlights . . . Hutchinson bad. Just really bad. After a few good starts when he first came up, he's been back to his old self. Game was basically over from there. The 2nd goal on Andersen is one you'd like to see stopped (or, at least, better rebound control on the initial shot), as well, but it wasn't on the same level of terrible as the two on Hutch.

I didn't see the 2nd goal on Andersen but I can certainly understand the frustration about the goaltending.
I don't think Andersen has been bad, but it's very frustrating when you see other goalies stealing games and yours seems to never do so.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

But, it is the middle of the season. Every team is going to go through a slump of some kind. I have some concerns, but it's not going to cause me to lose sleep.

This slump isn't nearly as catastrophic as it seems. Not saying the Leafs are playing their best hockey, but one or two bounces go their way instead of the other teams and we win any of those games we lost.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Since March 4th the Leafs have the 4th best CF%, the 3rd best xGF/60, the 12th best xGA/60, and the 7th best xGF% but also the 3rd worst shooting percentage, the 8th worst save percentage, and the 2nd worst points percentage.

Hockey can be a weird sport sometimes.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I just watched the game in 6 to catch that 4th goal on Andersen.
There's 3 errors on that play including Andersen's rebound control.
1-Why is Rielly going into traffic with that puck. Poor decision
2-Terrible Rebound by Andersen.
3-Brodie lost his guy puck watching.

And that's ultimately what the last 2 weeks have looked like for Toronto. Poor puck decisions, leading to other poor decisions, leading to goals against.

I'm not sure what the giveaways were in the first period last night but it was brutal to watch.

People are right, Andersen is not helping. But the team on a whole are not helping themselves.