Leafs sign Ryan Reaves [3 years, $1.35mil AAV]

[Bill33]

Well the cap hit will be negligible next year, just like his TOI this year. Except for probably like 3 big hits and a couple of tussles in Nov and Feb.

Dinosaur GM move. I'm missing dubas already.

Dubas always had these guys on his teams too (younger and could play initially) in Clune, Clifford, Simmonds

They've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.

 

[Redleaf]

This almost feels like a replacement move for losing Schenn. Except Schenn is a d-man.

 

[herman]

Well the cap hit will be negligible next year, just like his TOI this year. Except for probably like 3 big hits and a couple of tussles in Nov and Feb.

Dinosaur GM move. I'm missing dubas already.

Dubas always had these guys on his teams too (younger and could play initially) in Clune, Clifford, Simmonds

They've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.

Preaching to the choir here. I will always favour giving Nylander a bit more and lose out on a puncher.

 

[Guilt Trip]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

 

[Guilt Trip]

They've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.

The 1.3M doesn't work that way. You still need a player on the roster so $750k minimum. This will not effect whether Willy signs or not because his contract doesn't start until next season and Reaves could be playing for the Marlies then.

 

[herman]

This is how we take the focus away from the core 4: sign more bad deals to draw the ire.

 

[Bill33]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

 

[Guilt Trip]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

 

[Bill33]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

Or, you know, a GM can actually acquire players that are valuable additions over the length of their contracts, especially in the short term and not have to plan to bury anything.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

We have to wait to see what the structure of the deal is but as a 35+ year old the deal might not be buriable.

What is a 35-plus contract?
A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded

Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors

 

[Bill33]

Although I hate the deal and what it represents, I'm willing to under the assumption that they didn't go completely insane and structure it such that it can't be buried. Surely Pridham still has some input.

 

[Arn]

*intangibles*

 

[dekedastardly]

I like it. Reaves is a scary dude, is still feared around the league. How I see it is this team needed this element in their lineup and the Panthers series made that abundantly evident. Players like Gudas, Bennett, Tkachuk now think twice before doing what they do for fear of having to answer to this guy.

 

[Highlander]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

Ya agreed they neeed the protection now, not later. NEEED.  In two years they by him out or Ltri him. 

 

[Bill33]

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

Ya agreed they neeed the protection now, not later. NEEED.  In two years they by him out or Ltri him. 

In what world do people exist that they think that having a facepuncher in the lineup "protects" players? This has been disproven constantly and yet it still gets brought up as some kind of irrefutable logic.

 

[Bender]

He had similar point totals to Acciari. As long as he can play why should I get bent out of shape over a 4th liner?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

He had similar point totals to Acciari. As long as he can play why should I get bent out of shape over a 4th liner?

According to The Athletic, the deal has also been structured in a way that the over 35 contract concerns are not a concern here, if it doesn't work, they can disappear the cap hit fairly easily.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1675293063818752000
Here?s what WIGWAL is referring to.

Here?s the stipulations for which 35+ contracts cannot be cap saved against

What is a 35-plus contract?
A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded
Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors

 

[Kin]

I don't think this deal is great or anything but anyone who's legit worked up about it has been poisoned by GM brain. It's a small deal for a 4th line guy. They can buy if they need to, they can probably trade it if they need to and the odds of it having a significant on-ice effect on the club is pretty small either way.

I get it. We all want to be cap gurus and be up on every detail to think of ourselves as informed fans but if you're mad because this small inexpensive deal might not work out or it might be a year too long or a couple hundred thousand too much, that's touch grass kind of stuff. If Reaves sucks, sure, tear into it but this seems like exactly the sort of low-stakes thing everyone can afford to have a wait and see attitude about.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I don't think this deal is great or anything but anyone who's legit worked up about it has been poisoned by GM brain. It's a small deal for a 4th line guy. They can buy if they need to, they can probably trade it if they need to and the odds of it having a significant on-ice effect on the club is pretty small either way.

I get it. We all want to be cap gurus and be up on every detail to think of ourselves as informed fans but if you're mad because this small inexpensive deal might not work out or it might be a year too long or a couple hundred thousand too much, that's touch grass kind of stuff. If Reaves sucks, sure, tear into it but this seems like exactly the sort of low-stakes thing everyone can afford to have a wait and see attitude about.

I generally agree. What irks me a little is losing Acciari, now maybe that doesn't directly relate to signing Reaves, but it's hard not to compare them a little.