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Saint Nik said:Tough to make that sort of comment about the Devils and then not mention Parise at all.
cw said:.. offset some/maybe a lot by the retirement of Lemaire in my opinion
cw said:Like the article said about the Devils who were the best 2nd half team: it depends on which team shows up. I wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs.
cw said:Saint Nik said:Tough to make that sort of comment about the Devils and then not mention Parise at all.
.. offset some/maybe a lot by the retirement of Lemaire in my opinion
Fanatic said:cw said:Like the article said about the Devils who were the best 2nd half team: it depends on which team shows up. I wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs.
I see this type of thing a lot where you read such and such a team was the best in the final 20 games or since the all-star break etc. Where do you actually go to see that? How can someone look up to see how the Leafs were compared to all other teams, say since Reimer started?
Fanatic said:cw said:Like the article said about the Devils who were the best 2nd half team: it depends on which team shows up. I wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs.
I see this type of thing a lot where you read such and such a team was the best in the final 20 games or since the all-star break etc. Where do you actually go to see that? How can someone look up to see how the Leafs were compared to all other teams, say since Reimer started?
cw said:For Reimer, I'd just look up when he started playing and the look at the game by game stats on NHL.com since then to get a win% (which was well over .600 hockey)
Bender said:Fanatic said:cw said:Like the article said about the Devils who were the best 2nd half team: it depends on which team shows up. I wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs.
I see this type of thing a lot where you read such and such a team was the best in the final 20 games or since the all-star break etc. Where do you actually go to see that? How can someone look up to see how the Leafs were compared to all other teams, say since Reimer started?
It's also a strange thing when the Leafs had a equally good streak but they're discounted.
Fanatic said:cw said:For Reimer, I'd just look up when he started playing and the look at the game by game stats on NHL.com since then to get a win% (which was well over .600 hockey)
I get how to look up the Leafs record since Reimer started. I was just wondering, for example, if there was a site that allowed you to look up the Leafs against every other team in the NHL during that same time period.
cw said:It was documented as the season went along. I'd refer you to the old thread but ... For quite a stretch, the Devils were playing .800 hockey.
For Reimer, I'd just look up when he started playing and the look at the game by game stats on NHL.com since then to get a win% (which was well over .600 hockey)
Bender said:It's also a strange thing when the Leafs had a equally good streak but they're discounted. I understand they didn't have Parise and went on a tear, but our players overall I think were markedly worse. Tim Brent? Joey Crabb? Darryl Boyce?
Busta Reims said:cw said:It was documented as the season went along. I'd refer you to the old thread but ... For quite a stretch, the Devils were playing .800 hockey.
For Reimer, I'd just look up when he started playing and the look at the game by game stats on NHL.com since then to get a win% (which was well over .600 hockey)
From Reimer's 1st start, the Leafs played at a 98 point pace - and that's including a 2 week stretch where Reimer was back in the minors and the team clearly wasn't as confident, as well as the last week of the season, where the team had given up. Overall, they played roughly .600 hockey from January 1st on.
The Devils turned their season around at roughly same point and played at a 107 point pace, or roughly .656 winning percentage from January 1st on (Lemaire took over on the 22nd of December). They had a fantastic February, but slowed down significantly in March. They weren't eliminated until about a week before the Leafs.
Both teams turned it around after a significant change - the Leafs with their starting goalie, the Devils with their coach - and both teams have question marks around those positions going into this season. The big difference is that the Leafs still have the guy responsible for turning their season around, while the Devils have another new coach. Being that the Devils' turn around was so directly related to Lemaire and his system, I'm inclined to say the Leafs have a better chance at repeating their success. I'm just not confident DeBoer will be as capable of keeping the team so committed to a defensive minded system as Lemaire was, or if his attempt to do so will be as successful.
Floyd said:Next update...
Eastern
15. Ottawa
14. Florida
13. Winnipeg
12. New York Islanders
11. New Jersey
10. Toronto
Western
15. Edmonton
14. Phoenix
13. Dallas
12. Columbus
11. Minnesota
10. Calgary
I think 10th is a pretty fair forcast for Toronto in the East by The Hockey News. 10th for Calgary in the West? Personally, I don't like their outlook any more than any of the teams forcasted behind them.
Bender said:I suppose it's fair. At the same time, I think this year is going to be an absolute dogfight for the last three spots. Those will be very unpredictable and probably very fluid. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs fall out of playoff contention.
Floyd said:I think 10th is a pretty fair forcast for Toronto in the East by The Hockey News. 10th for Calgary in the West? Personally, I don't like their outlook any more than any of the teams forcasted behind them.
Busta Reims said:Floyd said:I think 10th is a pretty fair forcast for Toronto in the East by The Hockey News. 10th for Calgary in the West? Personally, I don't like their outlook any more than any of the teams forcasted behind them.
It's tough to handicap, because there isn't a lot of difference in the talent levels for the teams that will be in the 6th-12th range in the East. In fact, I'd go as far as saying there are only 2 real playoff locks in the East (Washington and Boston - depending on health, of course), maybe 3, depending on what the deal is with Crosby. Every other team has some pretty big questions surrounding them or some obvious areas of deficiency that could potentially cost them a playoff spot.