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Marlies Talk 15/16 - Is Sheldon worth Keefe'n around?

TJ Brennan wins it on a beautiful feed from Brown who stole it in how own zone, pulled up on a breakaway and put it on a tee for Brennan.

The 3on3 was pretty obscene in terms of the chance/talent differential, the Marlies just kept coming with player after player who could skate for fun and handle the puck really well, I'm surprised the Devils lasted as long as they did.

This is the most offensively dominant team in terms of skill I've ever seen in the AHL, they remind me a lot of the Syracuse Crunch that had Johnson, Panik and others on it, but this Marlies team seems to have fewer role players.

It's extremely early, but I'd be shocked if they don't finish 1st in the AHL.
 
Here's Nylander's goal:

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Nice steal, nice pass, and then johnny-on-the-spot for the tap in.
 
Dropped a 3-2 decision.

http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=850867&catid=802

Leivo missed out through injury.

Gave up a shorty, conceded on the PK and got nothing on the PP.

Keefe mentioned being disappointed by positioning and system execution.

In other news Nylander had another helper and is up to 2G 3A 5Pts
 
I watched the first before the Jays game, it was comically one-sided for the first little while. 3 ahead inside 7 minutes and the Americans announcing crew sounded shell shocked.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPQlZIUjkI[/youtube]

Only showed the goals, but it looked like we were carving into their zone with regularity and anything thrown on net was going in.

Game Summary
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Marlies win 8-2 tonight. 8 different goal scorers. That's how you define "stacked", btw.
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Only two Marlies left without registering a point!

herman said:
Only showed the goals, but it looked like we were carving into their zone with regularity and anything thrown on net was going in.
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I watched the game; especially early in the 1st the Marlies looked like they were on a 10-minute powerplay.  Nylander, Kappanen, and Soshnikov really stood out, but all lines looked good.  There were several close-calls that didn't make it into the highlights; it could easily have been 10-2.  Corrado looked good; can't wait to see what he's capable of once he's done this conditioning stint.
 
Stickytape said:
I watched the game; especially early in the 1st the Marlies looked like they were on a 10-minute powerplay.  Nylander, Kappanen, and Soshnikov really stood out, but all lines looked good.  There were several close-calls that didn't make it into the highlights; it could easily have been 10-2.  Corrado looked good; can't wait to see what he's capable of once he's done this conditioning stint.
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Thanks for the first-person update, Stickytape.

I'm very nearly drooling at the possibilities in the next couple of years when these guys start graduating to the NHL. How did Nylander look centering Brown and Kapanen? Because I can see them coming up together next season and making other teams cry.
 
I found this interesting from Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

When I was a cub reporter covering the NBA?s Toronto Raptors in 1995-96, Brendan Malone, the Raptors first head coach, gave me some great insight into team politics.

?The most important people on the team are your best four players and your four players who play the least,? he said.

?Why?? I asked.

?If those eight guys buy into what you?re doing, everyone in the middle buys in, too,? he said. ?If not, you?re in trouble, because you?ve got a lot of guys who aren?t on-board.? (This is the heavily edited version of Malone?s actual quote. He could ?blue streak? with the best of them.)

I?ve asked hockey coaches if the analogy works for this sport. Because the rosters are larger, it?s an inexact comparison. But most agree the theory is sound.

Malone?s story popped into my head last week while doing research into American Hockey League salaries. One executive asked if I?d heard about Justin Johnson.

Johnson is a 34-year-old forward, an 11-year-pro who joined the Toronto Marlies after a season with the ECHL?s Alaska Aces. He?s played two NHL games, both for the Islanders in the 2013-14 season, where, by all accounts, he was a very popular teammate at their AHL affiliate in Bridgeport.

Sixteen different forwards have played for the Marlies in just seven games. That?s a roster nightmare, because you know those who sit are grumbling.

?There?s a logjam there, so they wanted a veteran with good habits who won?t cause a problem,? Johnson?s agent, Jeff Helperl, said last week. ?Yes, he wants to play, but also do the things the Marlies are looking for. Justin?s biggest selling point is his character.?

It?s also likely the Marlies wanted someone to protect their youth in case opponents started running at them. It?s tough to say for sure, because assistant GM Kyle Dubas, who negotiated with Helperl, is in media jail.

The interesting thing is how the team and the agent designed this contract. The structure is very different, with a couple of agents and executives saying they?d never seen anything like it before. Johnson?s salary and signing bonus are normal, in American funds.

What stands out are the bonuses.

Johnson gets:
*$5,000 (these are in Canadian dollars) for every Marlie who scores 20 goals
*$5,000 for every Marlie who reaches 50 points
*$2,500 based on the success of the power play and penalty kill
*$2,500 for everyone who plays 10 games with the Marlies and 15 with the Maple Leafs

?Initially, it was more elaborate than what it ended up being,? Helperl said. ?It took a month to finish.?

He wouldn?t go into it, but a couple of sources indicated other bonuses were rejected.

In the NHL, the only players who qualify for bonuses are rookies on their entry-level deals; players who have missed significant time due to injury; and over-35s. But this structure? Don?t even try.
It?s unique. Team bonuses? Absolutely. A player benefitting from the individual performance of a teammate? Definitely new. It?s going to be copied, for sure.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-willing-to-deal-but-is-anyone-else/
 
Potvin29 said:
I found this interesting from Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

When I was a cub reporter covering the NBA?s Toronto Raptors in 1995-96, Brendan Malone, the Raptors first head coach, gave me some great insight into team politics.

?The most important people on the team are your best four players and your four players who play the least,? he said.

?Why?? I asked.

?If those eight guys buy into what you?re doing, everyone in the middle buys in, too,? he said. ?If not, you?re in trouble, because you?ve got a lot of guys who aren?t on-board.? (This is the heavily edited version of Malone?s actual quote. He could ?blue streak? with the best of them.)

I?ve asked hockey coaches if the analogy works for this sport. Because the rosters are larger, it?s an inexact comparison. But most agree the theory is sound.

Malone?s story popped into my head last week while doing research into American Hockey League salaries. One executive asked if I?d heard about Justin Johnson.

Johnson is a 34-year-old forward, an 11-year-pro who joined the Toronto Marlies after a season with the ECHL?s Alaska Aces. He?s played two NHL games, both for the Islanders in the 2013-14 season, where, by all accounts, he was a very popular teammate at their AHL affiliate in Bridgeport.

Sixteen different forwards have played for the Marlies in just seven games. That?s a roster nightmare, because you know those who sit are grumbling.

?There?s a logjam there, so they wanted a veteran with good habits who won?t cause a problem,? Johnson?s agent, Jeff Helperl, said last week. ?Yes, he wants to play, but also do the things the Marlies are looking for. Justin?s biggest selling point is his character.?

It?s also likely the Marlies wanted someone to protect their youth in case opponents started running at them. It?s tough to say for sure, because assistant GM Kyle Dubas, who negotiated with Helperl, is in media jail.

The interesting thing is how the team and the agent designed this contract. The structure is very different, with a couple of agents and executives saying they?d never seen anything like it before. Johnson?s salary and signing bonus are normal, in American funds.

What stands out are the bonuses.

Johnson gets:
*$5,000 (these are in Canadian dollars) for every Marlie who scores 20 goals
*$5,000 for every Marlie who reaches 50 points
*$2,500 based on the success of the power play and penalty kill
*$2,500 for everyone who plays 10 games with the Marlies and 15 with the Maple Leafs

?Initially, it was more elaborate than what it ended up being,? Helperl said. ?It took a month to finish.?

He wouldn?t go into it, but a couple of sources indicated other bonuses were rejected.

In the NHL, the only players who qualify for bonuses are rookies on their entry-level deals; players who have missed significant time due to injury; and over-35s. But this structure? Don?t even try.
It?s unique. Team bonuses? Absolutely. A player benefitting from the individual performance of a teammate? Definitely new. It?s going to be copied, for sure.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-willing-to-deal-but-is-anyone-else/
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Dubas is a genius.

Also, what's this about him being in media jail? Has Lou muzzled our wunderkind?
 
herman said:
Also, what's this about him being in media jail? Has Lou muzzled our wunderkind?
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One of his policies is that assistants (coaches or management) don't talk to media. I thought maybe that wouldn't apply to Marlies-related information as Dubas is their GM, but appears not.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Also, what's this about him being in media jail? Has Lou muzzled our wunderkind?
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One of his policies is that assistants (coaches or management) don't talk to media. I thought maybe that wouldn't apply to Marlies-related information as Dubas is their GM, but appears not.
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CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Also, what's this about him being in media jail? Has Lou muzzled our wunderkind?
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One of his policies is that assistants (coaches or management) don't talk to media. I thought maybe that wouldn't apply to Marlies-related information as Dubas is their GM, but appears not.
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Which you have to respect because, you know, reasons.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Which you have to respect because, you know, reasons.
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What easier to way to keep the message consistent than to only have it come from one mouth? I mean, come on Nik, think of the children!
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
Which you have to respect because, you know, reasons.
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What easier to way to keep the message consistent than to only have it come from one mouth? I mean, come on Nik, think of the children!
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That's crazy Dubas for ya, always going rogue when there's a mic in front of his face.
 
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