Matthews or BUST

[bustaheims]

From Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

25. Here?s why you can?t buy a Toronto Maple Leafs Auston Matthews jersey right now. Matthews hasn?t been given a number by the Leafs, and the new sweater isn?t available until September. (At last year?s NHLPA rookie showcase, Mitch Marner was the only player who didn?t have a number. He wanted 93 and the Maple Leafs weren?t doing that.)

Lou, knock it off. Seriously.

Agreed, in the larger scheme, but I understand about #93 specifically - especially for a rookie. That's a number that comes with expectations. Right now, 13, 17, and 93 would be off-limits for me.

 

[gunnar36]

Agreed, in the larger scheme, but I understand about #93 specifically - especially for a rookie. That's a number that comes with expectations. Right now, 13, 17, and 93 would be off-limits for me.

I would even include #71, just so we don't ever have to relive that awful memory 

 

[Britishbulldog]

Agreed, in the larger scheme, but I understand about #93 specifically - especially for a rookie. That's a number that comes with expectations. Right now, 13, 17, and 93 would be off-limits for me.

I would even include #71, just so we don't ever have to relive that awful memory 

LOL!  Love it

 

[herman]

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/6/30/who-is-boris-dorozhenko-a-look-at-the-man-behind-auston-matthews-development

Auston Matthews' skating coach (and basically uncle).

This is awesome.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOPAru9CYig[/youtube]

 

[pmrules]

So...Matthews hasn't signed his ELC as yet...interesting.  Apparently Lou doesn't believe in ELC bonuses.

 

[bustaheims]

So...Matthews hasn't signed his ELC as yet...interesting.  Apparently Lou doesn't believe in ELC bonuses.

With Laine signing a deal that sees him getting close to the full bonus structure, and, from what I can tell, every 1st overall pick getting the full bonuses since the current structure was introduced, I think Lou will eventually recognize he's fighting a losing battle on this one.

 

[Kin]

I don't know guys. This seems like the kind of thing that will build team unity. After all, it's not about the individual compensation, it's about what you're doing for the team. Team team team team team. If Matthews was a team guy he'd team the team team team team.

That's how we won the dadgum '95 Cup and if it was good enough for Stephane Richer, it's good enough for random Leaf #53.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Can they have it so he hits his bonus for playing 1 game?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I don't know guys. This seems like the kind of thing that will build team unity. After all, it's not about the individual compensation, it's about what you're doing for the team. Team team team team team. If Matthews was a team guy he'd team the team team team team.

That's how we won the dadgum '95 Cup and if it was good enough for Stephane Richer, it's good enough for random Leaf #53.

?This young man is as mature as he can get at his age,? Lamoriello said. ?He understands what that means. He does not want to be different than the other players in his class. He made a decision to forego all of those bonuses, to get this signed and to get his career underway.?

?We do not have any individual bonuses in any player contracts,? Lamoriello said. ?Never had it, including our picks that we?ve drafted over the years. This was established a couple years after I came here.

?In my mind, it is not a team-first philosophy that players have bonuses that if they score goals they get more money. Or if they get more ice time than another player then they get more money.

?Our conversations have been that this is not something that is advantageous for us to do. And the reason is because every player in our locker room that we have drafted has bought into that philosophy. Nobody worries about individual things, only the team is a commitment that?s made.?

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2011/07/adam_larsson_devils_top_pick_f.html

 

[herman]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lamoriello-bonus-policy-makes-matthews-deal-worth-watching/

Lou Lamoriello is on record as being opposed to performance bonuses.

In fact, he refused to give them out while running the New Jersey Devils. He even got Adam Larsson, the No. 4 pick in 2011, to accept a contract without them ? an extremely rare concession for someone selected so high.

Lamoriello was unusually candid while speaking with the Bergen Record after that deal was signed, applauding Larsson for not insisting on a contract that would reward him for scoring goals or receiving more ice time than his teammates.

?I am not one who is a believer in the rookie bonuses that (are) in the National Hockey League CBA ? the A, Bs and Cs as they?re called,? Lamoriello told the Record?s Tom Gulitti. ?Yet, everyone in the league that are drafted certainly in the top areas seem to get them. Nobody (with the Devils) has gotten them and our conversations have been that this would not be something that?s advantageous for us to do and the reason is because every player in our locker-room that we have drafted have bought into that philosophy and nobody worries about individual things and only the team and it?s a commitment that?s made.?

[...]

Three high selections from the 2016 draft class have already signed entry-level contracts ? Winnipeg?s Patrik Laine (the No. 2 pick got $2.65M in potential bonuses), Columbus? Pierre-Luc Dubois (the No. 3 pick got $2.5M in bonuses) and Montreal?s Mikhail Sergachev (the No. 9 pick got $850,000 in bonuses) ? but Lamoriello was correct when he said there was no rush with Matthews.

After all, he?s not due to report to Leafs training camp until early October after competing for Team North America in the World Cup. The player certainly doesn?t seem too concerned about his contractual status.

?You know what? I?m not sure,? Matthews said Monday when asked if there?s been negotiations. ?Obviously, I just let my agents and the general manager and the people here handle it. When they say I?m ready to sign, I?ll sign.?

Despite his unique standing as only the second No. 1 pick in Leafs history, the 18-year-old is being treated no differently than any of the other 40 prospects at development camp this week.

There are only 2 players from the top-4 picks since 2005 that did not sign contracts with the full set of Schedule A and B bonuses: Adam Larsson (2011.4) and Mitch Marner (2015.4); both under Lou Lamoriello.

Larsson got no bonunes. Marner got only the schedule A bonuses (individual achievement) because his negotiations began before Lou was signed.

 

[Kin]

I don't know guys. This seems like the kind of thing that will build team unity. After all, it's not about the individual compensation, it's about what you're doing for the team. Team team team team team. If Matthews was a team guy he'd team the team team team team.

That's how we won the dadgum '95 Cup and if it was good enough for Stephane Richer, it's good enough for random Leaf #53.

?This young man is as mature as he can get at his age,? Lamoriello said. ?He understands what that means. He does not want to be different than the other players in his class. He made a decision to forego all of those bonuses, to get this signed and to get his career underway.?

?We do not have any individual bonuses in any player contracts,? Lamoriello said. ?Never had it, including our picks that we?ve drafted over the years. This was established a couple years after I came here.

?In my mind, it is not a team-first philosophy that players have bonuses that if they score goals they get more money. Or if they get more ice time than another player then they get more money.

?Our conversations have been that this is not something that is advantageous for us to do. And the reason is because every player in our locker room that we have drafted has bought into that philosophy. Nobody worries about individual things, only the team is a commitment that?s made.?

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2011/07/adam_larsson_devils_top_pick_f.html

Goodness me. It certainly is a shock that New Jersey has lost so many high profile UFAs over the years.

 

[Deebo]

Marner did get the full 850k in A bonuses which Larsson didn't. Under Lou, Zaitsev, Kaskisuo, Neilsen and Timashov got A bonuses in their ELCs as well.

With respect to B bonuses, Matthews would either have to win the Conn Smythe, finish top 5 for the Hart, Selke or Richard or be top 10 in the NHL in either goals, assists, points or points per game (42GP minimum) to get any more than the 212,000 he would get for winning the Calder.

 

[bustaheims]

With respect to B bonuses, Matthews would either have to win the Conn Smythe, finish top 5 for the Hart, Selke or Richard or be top 10 in the NHL in either goals, assists, points or points per game (42GP minimum) to get any more than the 212,000 he would get for winning the Calder.

That's not entirely true. Schedule B bonuses are up to the discretion of the team. The only set limit is the $2M threshold. The value of the individual accomplishments is negotiable. The numbers that are set out in the CBA for categories that can be awarded as Schedule B bonuses represent money awarded to the player by the league outside of their contract.

 

[Deebo]

With respect to B bonuses, Matthews would either have to win the Conn Smythe, finish top 5 for the Hart, Selke or Richard or be top 10 in the NHL in either goals, assists, points or points per game (42GP minimum) to get any more than the 212,000 he would get for winning the Calder.

That's not entirely true. Schedule B bonuses are up to the discretion of the team. The only set limit is the $2M threshold. The value of the individual accomplishments is negotiable. The numbers that are set out in the CBA for categories that can be awarded as Schedule B bonuses represent money awarded to the player by the league outside of their contract.

I meant he would have to do at least one of those things, he could have 2M as the amount for getting any one of them but you can't have bonuses for any other accomplishments. I missed top 3 for the Byng in the listing.

For the Calder, the CBA states:

"A Player who finishes among the top three (3) in balloting for the Calder shall receive the following bonus amounts (no individually negotiated "excess" allowed):"

 

[Zee]

Just give Matthews his contact. How often do the Leafs get the first overall pick? I get Lou being Lou but this is stupid.

 

[jonlleafs]

Just give Matthews his contact. How often do the Leafs get the first overall pick? I get Lou being Lou but this is stupid.

I agree.  I mean, if he can hit performance bonuses like score 25G and 25A, I'd be ecstatic and would happily pay him the max bonuses.  Last thing I want to create at the beginning is resentment.

 

[Zee]

Just give Matthews his contact. How often do the Leafs get the first overall pick? I get Lou being Lou but this is stupid.

I agree.  I mean, if he can hit performance bonuses like score 25G and 25A, I'd be ecstatic and would happily pay him the max bonuses.  Last thing I want to create at the beginning is resentment.

Makes the Leafs look extremely bush league to be niggling around like this.

 

[Deebo]

Is there any actual report of it happening or is this just speculation based on what Lou did with another team?

He has obviously softened his position at least a little bit since he has given the players I mentioned above performance bonuses.

 

[Zee]

Is there any actual report of it happening or is this just speculation based on what Lou did with another team?

He has obviously softened his position at least a little bit since he has given the players I mentioned above performance bonuses.

It's an actual talking point now in newspapers that he hasn't yet signed an ELC which is strange considering he went #1 overall. What would the holdup possibly be? These contracts are fairly straightforward.

 

[Deebo]

It's an actual talking point now in newspapers that he hasn't yet signed an ELC which is strange considering he went #1 overall. What would the holdup possibly be? These contracts are fairly straightforward.

Ekblad, RNH and Tavares signed in September.

Yakupov and Stamkos in late July.