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Mitch Marner: what now?

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There is zero chance either of Leafs or Marner allow this bad blood to be festering among fans if a deal has been agreed upon.
 
$12.5-million x 7 years is a real nice offer from Columbus. But A) you have to play in Columbus  (all signs point to Mitch wanting to play in Toronto) and B) They have to ship out 4 1st rounders to get him (again, terrible asset management). I actually think they made that pitch (the crazy trade deadline last year suggests they're capable of it) and Ferris told them to buzz off.
 
Zzzzzzz.  This has gotten tedious.  All the "insiders" speculation has amounted to exactly what it usually amounts to: a double helping of squat.

There isn't going to be any offer sheet.  Never was going to be one.

Marner will sign before camp because Dubas knows now what a mistake it was to let Nylander drag on (and has all but said so).

End of non-story.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Zzzzzzz.  This has gotten tedious.  All the "insiders" speculation has amounted to exactly what it usually amounts to: a double helping of squat.

There isn't going to be any offer sheet.  Never was going to be one.

Marner will sign before camp because Dubas knows now what a mistake it was to let Nylander drag on (and has all but said so).

End of non-story.

Mitch is holding his charity event thing tomorrow and Friday. That should be fun.
 
Zee said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Zzzzzzz.  This has gotten tedious.  All the "insiders" speculation has amounted to exactly what it usually amounts to: a double helping of squat.

There isn't going to be any offer sheet.  Never was going to be one.

Marner will sign before camp because Dubas knows now what a mistake it was to let Nylander drag on (and has all but said so).

End of non-story.

Mitch is holding his charity event thing tomorrow and Friday. That should be fun.

As in, "Hi I'm Mitch Marner, poor, broke, struggling hockey player who has no NHL contract, could you spare some change please because my dad and agent are awesome and Kyle Dubas is a poopy pants" type charity event?
 
A friendly reminder that the following high-end players are also currently unsigned RFAs:

Brayden Point
Mikko Rantanen
Matthews Tkachuk
Kyle Connor
Brock Boeser
Patrik Laine
Jacob Trouba
Zachary Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Ivan Provorov
 
Beyond that there are lots of minor RFAs who aren't signed yet. It's almost like it's a long summer and there's no real rush.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
A friendly reminder that the following high-end players are also currently unsigned RFAs:

Brayden Point
Mikko Rantanen
Matthews Tkachuk
Kyle Connor
Brock Boeser
Patrik Laine
Jacob Trouba
Zachary Werenski
Charlie McAvoy
Ivan Provorov

Nice little top 6 and top 4.
 
I heard his event is really well done, skills competition and everything, raises a lot of money. I'm sure there will be one reporter the exciting question and gets the exciting canned answer.
 
I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC.  I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key.  I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet.  I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.
 
Wouldn't this situation need to be done by Cap compliance day to take full advantage of Horton's LTIR? Or wouldn't there be even less Cap space available after that day?
 
Zee said:
I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC.  I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key.  I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet.  I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.

I don?t think there?s any upside to this relative to signing them all to McKinnon/Pastrnak contracts.

From a point production standpoint, the collection of rookies the leafs had in a 2-year stretch produced at a historic rate. If the leafs had been able to lock them down to traditional RFA contracts, they would have had a massive built-in advantage over all other teams for 8 years.  The situation was unique and it?s unlikely to be replicated for decades.  It?s a big loss.
 
princedpw said:
Zee said:
I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC.  I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key.  I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet.  I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.

I don?t think there?s any upside to this relative to signing them all to McKinnon/Pastrnak contracts.

From a point production standpoint, the collection of rookies the leafs had in a 2-year stretch produced at a historic rate. If the leafs had been able to lock them down to traditional RFA contracts, they would have had a massive built-in advantage over all other teams for 8 years.  The situation was unique and it?s unlikely to be replicated for decades.  It?s a big loss.

I don't think the Leafs are alone in teams that could have 2-3 star rookies coming up through the ranks.  The trio of Matthews/Marner/Nylander were all acquired through great first round drafting at 1-4-8.  I don't see why other teams scraping by right now can't hit on a bunch of picks in the top 10 as well.
 
Speaking of Mitch, he'll be interviewed on Tim&Sid today at 5 (he might also be on Overdrive I'm not sure).  Will be promoting his charity event that's on today and tomorrow but I'm sure the reporters will attempt to sneak in a contract question or 2.
 
Zee said:
princedpw said:
Zee said:
I wonder if this entire Marner situation is just the tip of the iceberg going forward for teams, cap issues and young players coming off ELC.  I can see more and more teams facing this similar situation going forward so having a great cap-team together is key.  I know many Leafs fans are upset that the Leafs are the team going through this, but maybe the Leafs are blazing the trail here on how things will be done in the future. Lessons learned might benefit this management team that other teams might not have learned yet.  I guess we'll see, but I'm hopeful they can resolve Marner by Oct and keep this core together for relative long term.

I don?t think there?s any upside to this relative to signing them all to McKinnon/Pastrnak contracts.

From a point production standpoint, the collection of rookies the leafs had in a 2-year stretch produced at a historic rate. If the leafs had been able to lock them down to traditional RFA contracts, they would have had a massive built-in advantage over all other teams for 8 years.  The situation was unique and it?s unlikely to be replicated for decades.  It?s a big loss.

I don't think the Leafs are alone in teams that could have 2-3 star rookies coming up through the ranks.  The trio of Matthews/Marner/Nylander were all acquired through great first round drafting at 1-4-8.  I don't see why other teams scraping by right now can't hit on a bunch of picks in the top 10 as well.

There were all kinds of stats about the fact that the big 3 scored more than any other 3some that young since Sundin/Sakic/someone and the nordiques.  So in theory, it can happen, but in practice it seems not to.
 
Bates said:
Wouldn't this situation need to be done by Cap compliance day to take full advantage of Horton's LTIR? Or wouldn't there be even less Cap space available after that day?
From my understanding, heard Gord Miller talk about it, in order to use all of Horton's LTIR they must be over the cap by his total hit. If they're only over say by 4 mill, then they literally lose 1.3 mill off their cap space. In this case the Leafs cap would be 80,200,000 for the year so it is imperative that Marner signs before the start of the year and the Leafs get as close to the cap as possible, minus Horton.
 
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